Boxing is so dead

[kiaba360]

Although I don't particularly care for Canelo/Crawford, it's still a high-stakes match-up between P4P-caliber fighters. The scale of the event will hopefully draw eyes to the under-card fighters. I hope Mbilli/Martinez and Walsh/Vargas make the most of this opportunity.

Could you mention some match-ups that you would want to see get made, that you feel can't get made without Turki's involvement? Does it really matter where a match-up takes place if the most important thing is that the fight actually happens? I say this as someone who doesn't attend events, so I understand opinions may differ.

I've resigned myself to the fact that Boxing is never going to be perfect, and I try not to dwell on everything I find unappealing. Our favorites aren't always fighting who we want them to. If I dislike something, I'll voice my displeasure once or simply stay silent. But then I'll move on and focus on what I do like. Being a boxing fan doesn't mean you're forced to consume everything. There's many fights I didn't watch this year. However, there was times in the year where it seems I was watching boxing every week. I've learned to take the good with the bad. I didn't watch Pacquiao/Barrios and probably won't watch Fundora/Thurman, but I've learned to let people enjoy what they want to. There are diehard Pacquiao and Thurman fans on here who're invested in those respective match-ups, and I derive no satisfaction from trying to spoil someone else's entertainment.

What's on schedule that I'll probably watch:
Crocker/Donovan 2, Inoue/MJ, Ortiz/Lubin, Ennis/Lima, Browne/Glanton, Allen/Makhmudov, Conway/Liddard, Foster/Fulton, Buatsi/Parker, Parker/Wardley, Eubank/Benn 2, and the November Riyadh card.

Nunez and Navarrete faced-off after Nunez/Diaz, so a future 130lb unification is a possibility. I can't remember the last time that's happened. I hope Opetaia fights again before year's end, vs. Billam-Smith.

[TMLT87]

Boxing has its ups and downs. But I have to say it’s pretty dead right now. Definitely in a down period.

Canelo vs Crawford is still a superfight, but the undercard is horrible. Callum Walsh as the co-main? That is absolutely terrible.

Can’t thing of many big fights on the horizon for the rest of the year either, other than Turki’s stacked card in November. And Dalton Smith vs Subriel Matias has been removed from that show if I’m not mistaken.

The loss of HBO and Showtime has been devastating in hindsight.

Thanks Al Haymon.

Agree with the Canelo/Crawford undercard being pretty poor and losing HBO and Showtime ****ing sucks, BUT, how ****ing crazy is it seeing a big time boxing match being advertised right there impossible to miss on the front page of ****ing NETFLIX? I mean, in terms of global reach and visibility that is way beyond what any previous network whether traditional tv or online has been able to provide. Theres a good chance there will be tens of millions watching that fight live, its a great thing.

[STREET CLEANER]

Boxing thrives with star power. Now it's Canelo and Paul, eventually one fighter will rise to that status. Turki has disrupted the sport and if he stops what he is doing it will bog down the sport

[PRINCEKOOL]

Nope, it is not really. But? The heavyweight Division is just experiencing its latter stages, and it is having a domino effect on the rest of the sport.

This is the first year for way over a decade that neither 'Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua have fought in the same calendar year. Only Deontay Wilder has fought, in a very tentative and measured comeback fight vs Tyrell Herdon'.

This is why I stated in another thread, no matter how under par people rate the Heavyweight Divisions in terms of skill 'It has always at any given time, been one of the best divisions in the entire sport. In terms of mass appeal, competition and overall intrigue'.

Note: In my opinion if Anthony Joshua fought ether Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder in 2026 'even at this stage of their careers, without any of them being current world champions. Those potential match ups would surpass Terrence Crawford vs Canelo Alvarez on a global scale. As a mega boxing event'.

Because Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder 'are the three heavyweight mountains of this era. The apex champions of the entire sport of boxing'.

Terrence Crawford vs Canelo Alvarez are both great champions, and pound for pound 'they are superior fighters to Fury, Joshua and Wilder. But they have never been the apex champions of the sport'.

So overall, boxing outside of the heavyweight divisions is still operating like it always has been 'there are champions still defending their titles, and contenders to rising up through divisions'.

Since the retirement of Floyd Mayweather Junior 'the Heavyweight Divisions has been the best divisions in the sport of boxing. Now? Skill for skill the divisions has been under-par compared to past great heavyweight era's. But in terms of competition, narrative and theme fights. It has by miles been number 1 combat sports divisions in the entire world of combat sports'.

Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua 'was the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.

The Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder trilogy 'was the greatest heavyweight boxing rivalry, since Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe'.

Oleksandr Uysk's rise into the heavyweight divisions was also one of the most inspirational 'and significant moments in heavyweight boxing history. Because Uysk as a more classically styled physique heavyweight fighter. Has shown the world that Super Heavyweight fighters, are not automatically superior to classically physique styled heavyweight fighters. He has beaten the two premier elite super heavyweight Champions in Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, mainly with his superior attributes of speed, endurance and technical skill. And those are all areas of a fighter's game, which does seem to decrease in boxing once? You scale up in mass and weight. Not all of the time is this true, but predominantly the lower weight classes contain the more highly skilled and better conditioned fighters'.

To conclude: So this is what people within the boxing community are detecting 'it is not a cosmic void. Because the Heavyweight Divisions and all boxing divisions continually give rise to new eras. And those new boxing eras are in their development stages'.

I still personally think Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder 'could still have more potential fights in their careers at top level in the game, definitively in the case of Joshua. Just right before the conclusion of this heavyweight boxing era, it may once again become very luminous and bright. With everything that has made it the best divisions in the sport of the past decade' etc.

[QueensburyRules]

Nope, it is not really. But? The heavyweight Division is just experiencing its latter stages, and it is having a domino effect on the rest of the sport.

This is the first year for way over a decade that neither 'Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua have fought in the same calendar year. Only Deontay Wilder has fought, in a very tentative and measured comeback fight vs Tyrell Herdon'.

This is why I stated in another thread, no matter how under par people rate the Heavyweight Divisions in terms of skill 'It has always at any given time, been one of the best divisions in the entire sport. In terms of mass appeal, competition and overall intrigue'.

Note: In my opinion if Anthony Joshua fought ether Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder in 2026 'even at this stage of their careers, without any of them being current world champions. Those potential match ups would surpass Terrence Crawford vs Canelo Alvarez on a global scale. As a mega boxing event'.

Because Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder 'are the three heavyweight mountains of this era. The apex champions of the entire sport of boxing'.

Terrence Crawford vs Canelo Alvarez are both great champions, and pound for pound 'they are superior fighters to Fury, Joshua and Wilder. But they have never been the apex champions of the sport'.

So overall, boxing outside of the heavyweight divisions is still operating like it always has been 'there are champions still defending their titles, and contenders to rising up through divisions'.

Since the retirement of Floyd Mayweather Junior 'the Heavyweight Divisions has been the best divisions in the sport of boxing. Now? Skill for skill the divisions has been under-par compared to past great heavyweight era's. But in terms of competition, narrative and theme fights. It has by miles been number 1 combat sports divisions in the entire world of combat sports'.

Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua 'was the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.

The Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder trilogy 'was the greatest heavyweight boxing rivalry, since Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe'.

Oleksandr Uysk's rise into the heavyweight divisions was also one of the most inspirational 'and significant moments in heavyweight boxing history. Because Uysk as a more classically styled physique heavyweight fighter. Has shown the world that Super Heavyweight fighters, are not automatically superior to classically physique styled heavyweight fighters. He has beaten the two premier elite super heavyweight Champions in Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, mainly with his superior attributes of speed, endurance and technical skill. And those are all areas of a fighter's game, which does seem to decrease in boxing once? You scale up in mass and weight. Not all of the time is this true, but predominantly the lower weight classes contain the more highly skilled and better conditioned fighters'.

To conclude: So this is what people within the boxing community are detecting 'it is not a cosmic void. Because the Heavyweight Divisions and all boxing divisions continually give rise to new eras. And those new boxing eras are in their development stages'.

I still personally think Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder 'could still have more potential fights in their careers at top level in the game, definitively in the case of Joshua. Just right before the conclusion of this heavyweight boxing era, it may once again become very luminous and bright. With everything that has made it the best divisions in the sport of the past decade' etc.

- - Actually Manny was the number 1 progenitor of boxing expansion, not TBE TUE running squallin' fer he cra ck daddy.

[HisExcellency]

It's very dead

The guys at work talking about canelo vs Crawford

1st guy - never heard of Crawford before

2nd guy - last seen Crawford vs spence, never heard of madrimov, no idea how close it was, googles him says oh he has 10 fights he's a bum and it's a stay busy fight

Only casuals you can't really talk much with them they don't know basic things like if you see a soviet with 10 fights at 30 defending a belt that means he's got extensive amateur experience

NOTHING irritates me more than casuals...the amount of times I've spoke to somebody at work, the gym etc who says they're into boxing but have absolutely no clue that Bivol vs. Beterbiev or Canelo vs. Crawford is happening on the weekend

[ELPacman]

I'm sure someone can dig up a thread of boxing being dead like 15 years ago, lol. It's been a common saying however always perceivers. Granted, my only fear nowadays is how many big networks dropped it (HBO, Showtime, ESPN, even having free boxing with PBC was decent). Now a lot are app only with subscriptions which is Okay if you're subscribed, not Okay if you're not because you can't score new fans if they don't know it's out there on an app.

I like all the new Youtube channels that have come up providing free live fights. It's nice, but when you see the viewership, it's pretty sad. Sometimes having just over 1k viewers. Imagine that? Spread across the entire country, that might be like 75 viewers per state. That's not a lot of fans of any particular sport, lol. Though at least they can get that after it aires/rewatched viewership revenue I suppose. Though yeah, it's in a tough spot, but I don't think it will ever die.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Very few promoters are willing to put on a good fight unless Turki pays for it. PBC's Fundora-Thurman card is solid but they have so few dates they barely make a difference. Frank has Parker-Wardley but the rest of his schedule is crap. Matchroom's whole schedule is embarrassingly pathetic.

Look at this trash fight this weekend between a super middleweight and a welterweight. That's just as egregious as any Jake Paul fight.

This sport is so done.

Completely agree. Worst state I’ve seen it in, in my lifetime.

HBO and Showtime leaving has left a massive void that has not been filled. Streaming has been terrible for boxing IMO, it makes a niche sport even more niche.

Saudi and YouTuber/influencer boxing has done a lot of damage too. Saudi have done some positive things and made some great fights but everyone is just waiting for that Saudi payday now, they’ve killed boxing in America. The influencer sh** just damages the credibility and instead of actual boxers getting premium money exposure such as Netflix, we get a YouTuber and 58 year old Mike Tyson.

It’s sad tbh. I honestly don’t even watch that many fights anymore. I’ll be at Canelo-Crawford on Saturday because I actually think this could be the last mega fight in Vegas. I suspect post Canelo, any future stars will have all their most meaningful fights in Saudi.

[M312]

We've had more Undisputed and title fights than ever before.
The heavyweights are thriving.

I know it's mainly Turki, but boxings not been in such a good place for a long time.

There's very few huge fights we haven't seen now.

[Southpawology]

we’ve been hearing “boxing is dead” now for how many years?? and yet here we are lol