Boxing needs to be centralized like ufc

[satiev1]

Enough is enough. Boxing is now dying. At least in the past you had great fights that were made. Now all the greats retired or will soon. Boxing needs to be like ufc so the best stop ducking each other. Ufc is now much more interesting.

[Coverdale]

First off, we all know boxing needs better governance. Practical steps towards achieving it is the difficult part.

Second, "UFC" is not a sport. It's a brand of MMA competition, with many MMA contests still taking place outside UFC.

[Century Tuna]

The UFC only looks shiny cause it’s centralized in the US but let’s be real, the US ain’t the entire world. Boxing is global. We’ve got champions from Mexico, UK, Japan, Eastern Europe, Africa..literally everywhere. You think one company in Vegas can run the whole sport? That’s laughable. Sure, the UFC model gives you hype for a few years, but it’s a bubble short-term entertainment, not long-term sustainability. Boxing’s decentralized system may be messy, but that’s exactly why it’s alive and thriving worldwide while UFC stays a US-centric circus.

[Mimms]

UFC is dying and boxing is on the Up & Up! Boxing is reaching new heights it's never reached before!

[TMLT87]

The UFC only looks shiny cause it’s centralized in the US but let’s be real, the US ain’t the entire world. Boxing is global. We’ve got champions from Mexico, UK, Japan, Eastern Europe, Africa..literally everywhere. You think one company in Vegas can run the whole sport? That’s laughable. Sure, the UFC model gives you hype for a few years, but it’s a bubble short-term entertainment, not long-term sustainability. Boxing’s decentralized system may be messy, but that’s exactly why it’s alive and thriving worldwide while UFC stays a US-centric circus.

Theres one American UFC champ right now out of 11 champions. The last two UFC cards took place in France and China, 5 of their next 10 cards are happening outside of America. You're talking like its 2005 not 2025.

The UFC has existed for 32 years now too, thats not exactly short term entertainment is it?

I do agree though that a UFC model wouldnt work with boxing for various reasons. The vastly higher fight purses in boxing being one major factor.

[Century Tuna]

Theres one American UFC champ right now out of 11 champions. The last two UFC cards took place in France and China, 5 of their next 10 cards are happening outside of America. You're talking like its 2005 not 2025.

The UFC has existed for 32 years now too, thats not exactly short term entertainment is it?

I do agree though that a UFC model wouldnt work with boxing for various reasons. The vastly higher fight purses in boxing being one major factor.

Cong****, you just Googled UFC’s event schedule like that somehow proves it isn’t an American-centered business. France and China cards don’t magically erase the fact that the UFC is run out of the US, with Dana White and his cronies pulling the strings in Vegas. Stop acting like throwing a few international shows makes it a global sport, it’s still an American product dressed up for export.

And bragging about 32 years? Please. Boxing has been around for centuries, creating legends across generations and continents, not just hyped up flavor of the-month brawlers. UFC might look cute now, but it’ll always be the minor leagues compared to boxing’s worldwide history, reach, and money. Call me when UFC fighters stop begging for boxing paydays.

[TMLT87]

the UFC is run out of the US

You mean like Top Rank, PBC and Golden Boy?

Stop acting like throwing a few international shows makes it a global sport, .

"a few international shows" lmao. A significant proportion of their cards nowadays are international cards. Maybe you should Google their events schedule like you're saying I did?

it’s still an American product dressed up for export

An "American product dressed up for export" that has 1 American champ, 0 male champs, no Americans in the p4p top 10, where the majority of the fighters are not American and the majority of main events dont feature an American. Makes total sense.

Last year Eastern Europe based promotion Oktagon drew a crowd of 60k for a card in Germany, same year Japanese promotion Rizin drew a crowd of 50k in Japan, again same year Polish promotion KSW did 30k+ in France and the previous year did 50k in its home country. Not bad for for an "American sport" eh?

If you actually followed both sports instead of spouting off 00s era talking points like they still apply you'd realise theres way more American representation at the top levels of boxing than MMA these days.

And bragging about 32 years? Please. Boxing has been around for centuries, creating legends across generations and continents, not just hyped up flavor of the-month brawlers. UFC might look cute now, but it’ll always be the minor leagues compared to boxing’s worldwide history, reach, and money. Call me when UFC fighters stop begging for boxing paydays.

This part makes it clear that you're just being tribalistic and emotional so your opinions are governed by irrational hatred rather than actual knowledge or logic. Obviously I am a fan of boxing as well and actually think its doing slightly better than MMA in recent years overall, the UFC doesnt really "look cute now" most people think its actually having a quieter period compared to some of the boom periods its had in the past. To call it the "minor leagues" is hilarious though when they've just done a new tv deal worth more than the broadcasting rights of every major boxing promotion combined. Its the biggest combat sports promotion on the planet by a huge margin.

[Century Tuna]

You mean like Top Rank, PBC and Golden Boy?



"a few international shows" lmao. A significant proportion of their cards nowadays are international cards. Maybe you should Google their events schedule like you're saying I did?



An "American product dressed up for export" that has 1 American champ, 0 male champs, no Americans in the p4p top 10, where the majority of the fighters are not American and the majority of main events dont feature an American. Makes total sense.

Last year Eastern Europe based promotion Oktagon drew a crowd of 60k for a card in Germany, same year Japanese promotion Rizin drew a crowd of 50k in Japan, again same year Polish promotion KSW did 30k+ in France and the previous year did 50k in its home country. Not bad for for an "American sport" eh?

If you actually followed both sports instead of spouting off 00s era talking points like they still apply you'd realise theres way more American representation at the top levels of boxing than MMA these days.



This part makes it clear that you're just being tribalistic and emotional so your opinions are governed by irrational hatred rather than actual knowledge or logic. Obviously I am a fan of boxing as well and actually think its doing slightly better than MMA in recent years overall, the UFC doesnt really "look cute now" most people think its actually having a quieter period compared to some of the boom periods its had in the past. To call it the "minor leagues" is hilarious though when they've just done a new tv deal worth more than the broadcasting rights of every major boxing promotion combined. Its the biggest combat sports promotion on the planet by a huge margin.

You still missed the point. Cong**** on listing every non-UFC promotion in Europe like that somehow props up the UFC’s "global" status. Newsflash: UFC is still owned, operated, and milked out of Las Vegas. Throwing fighters from other countries on the roster doesn’t magically make it less of an American-centered product, it just makes Dana White richer while fighters everywhere else get scrap.

And lol @ bragging about TV deals. Yeah, UFC makes bank but their fighters sure don’t. That’s why half the roster is begging to box for real money. Boxing’s "tribalism" as you call it, is the exact reason fighters earn generational wealth instead of peanuts for brain damage

Boxing built combat sports, it has legends known worldwide, and it pays on a scale UFC can only dream of. UFC is the flashy fast food chain, quick hype, cheap labor. Boxing is the Michelin star restaurant, historic, international, and still the standard everyone else copies.

[TMLT87]

like that somehow props up the UFC’s "global" status.

Running cards in 12 countries this year alone, 9 nationalities represented across the 11 belt holders currently, 20 nationalities represented across 30 main events so far this year, 6 nationalities in their p4p top 10, 11 nationalities on yesterdays card (where two thirds of the commentary team were British), Sounds pretty global to me. Can you tell me which boxing cards you think are generating more viewers spread across a wider range of countries on the typical weekend?

doesn’t magically make it less of an American-centered product

See above. Its a shame you're doubling down on this obviously ****** take after getting thoroughly schooled on a topic you are clearly way out of your depth trying to argue over. I'm not actually American btw which makes this even funnier.

Yeah, UFC makes bank but their fighters sure don’t.

I see. So how are they generating so much revenue when they're supposedly the minor leagues compared to boxing?

UFC is the flashy fast food chain, quick hype, cheap labor. Boxing is the Michelin star restaurant, historic, international, and still the standard everyone else copies.

Pure emotion based blindly tribalistic arguments again.