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  • SouthpawRight
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    #121
    Originally posted by MalevolentBite

    Roberto Duran only beat Leonard when Leonard fought his fight. When Leonard went to the slick boxer puncher. He made Duran quit.

    When a tall lanky boxer puncher like Hearns met Duran he folded him.

    Duran was able to hang with hagler due to the style of how hagler fought.
    but 147 and 154 Floyd was a pure boxer-counterstriker

    Roberto a top 3 all time infighter close quarters the range that works best against Floyd

    Originally posted by hugh grant

    But common opponents said Pac was better. It depends on what you mean better. If you mean harder to hit, than floyd is better. But common opponents dont say they thought Pac was tougher as hes especially hard to hit. Its everything else that Pac bought to table.
    How can you say Pac will never beat Floyd, when common opponents said Pac would. And Floyd would have to prove he can beat Pac twice? Bradley beat Pac once, as did Morales. But look what happened in a triology?
    Also Pac is considerably smaller so that you dont thinkPac can beat Floyd, dont actually mean Floyd is better, or rather greater fighter. Just means hes bigger with height and reach and naturaly weight advantages and youd favour Floyd. But floyd never even proved he was better than Pac h2h. We like triologies or rematches to determine that historically.
    common opponents picked Floyd to beat manny. and that's what happened

    you want tangible things that were achieved in their careers rofl

    Originally posted by MalevolentBite

    Is it just me or people on here dont read? I clearly stated that. Floyd would win because hes a naturally bigger guy with superior defensive skills. There's no opportunity for him to beat Floyd. Now if they both were the same size then thats a different story. Once again that would be a Pound 4 pound discussion not a better boxer/ fighter overall. I clearly said manny was better pound 4 pound over floyd but overall hes not better or could beat him at lightweight or welterweight.

    Common fighters dont matter because styles make fights. Just because they have common opponents doesnt mean floyd or manny fought each one the same way especially floyd but the common disadvantage in your argument is. Floyd already beat Manny at 147lbs. Floyd has defeated everyone he fought. You have no leg for your argument unless you really believe manny lied going into a fight with known injury or you are debating pound 4 pound. This isnt a pound for pound article its the best overall in the century. Floyd beat manny in this century.
    manny was 150 on the night of to Floyd's 148

    going off of weight how boxing measures size manny was bigger. Floyd mopped manny anyways 10-2'ing that ass. manny could only win 2 clear rounds the fourth and sixth

    manny simply lacks the skillset to overcome the difference in levels and stylistic edge for Floyd

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      #122
      Originally posted by hugh grant

      You literally making no sense. You saying floyd always beats pac as he's bigger. That's just an opinion as floyd only had 1 controversial win over pac. DLH and Cott o said pac in his prime beats floyd, again just an opinion but they shared ring with both. Actually DLH has flip flopped on who'd win, he has said floyd and I've heard him say pac too. But it's about if Pac was in prime, rather than if pac was naturally bigger that pac beats floyd. Calzaghe beats pac overall too I guess as he's bigger?
      Pac is better pf p fighter. That's all that matters and all we are discussing. You seem to want to think floyd beats pac if naturally same size too? Again that's just your opinion. We want tangible things of what's been accomplished in careers
      I never said that. I think (manny could win) if him and floyd was the same size thats why I put manny higher on the pound 4 pound. I clearly said this.

      Idc what cotto and DLH say. Oscar is a c0ke head and cotto was a average fighter.

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      • MalevolentBite
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        #123
        Originally posted by SouthpawRight
        but 147 and 154 Floyd was a pure boxer-counterstriker

        Roberto a top 3 all time infighter close quarters the range that works best against Floyd

        common opponents picked Floyd to beat manny. and that's what happened

        you want tangible things that were achieved in their careers rofl

        manny was 150 on the night of to Floyd's 148

        going off of weight how boxing measures size manny was bigger. Floyd mopped manny anyways 10-2'ing that ass. manny could only win 2 clear rounds the fourth and sixth

        manny simply lacks the skillset to overcome the difference in levels and stylistic edge for Floyd
        150lbs isnt his natural weight thats the point. He can gain all the weight he wants. That doesnt equal natural strength for your original body frame.

        Manny's ideal weight is probably 140lb and Below. However I am one of the people who view Mannys success at 147lbs as not naturally 'clean'..

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          #124
          Originally posted by SouthpawRight
          but 147 and 154 Floyd was a pure boxer-counterstriker

          Roberto a top 3 all time infighter close quarters the range that works best against Floyd

          common opponents picked Floyd to beat manny. and that's what happened

          you want tangible things that were achieved in their careers rofl

          manny was 150 on the night of to Floyd's 148

          going off of weight how boxing measures size manny was bigger. Floyd mopped manny anyways 10-2'ing that ass. manny could only win 2 clear rounds the fourth and sixth

          manny simply lacks the skillset to overcome the difference in levels and stylistic edge for Floyd
          Top 3? You got him over Chavez, Frazier, Sonny Listen, Rocky, Ragging Bull and etc ?

          Floyd would dance around Duran like Leonard did in the rematch. You are giving Duran too much credit. He is not a complex fighter.

          You gotta set traps for Floyd. Like Molsey and Judah did who are both slick boxer punchers.

          Duran would make floyd fight on the back foot. Thats what floyd wants. You gotta trick floyd to feel more comfortable with leading off then rock him.

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            #125
            Originally posted by MalevolentBite

            150lbs isnt his natural weight thats the point. He can gain all the weight he wants. That doesnt equal natural strength for your original body frame.

            Manny's ideal weight is probably 140lb and Below. However I am one of the people who view Mannys success at 147lbs as not naturally 'clean'..
            I do not believe manny is that small

            He could have returned at 46 to 140 but instead chose 147

            Originally posted by MalevolentBite

            Top 3? You got him over Chavez, Frazier, Sonny Listen, Rocky, Ragging Bull and etc ?

            Floyd would dance around Duran like Leonard did in the rematch. You are giving Duran too much credit. He is not a complex fighter.

            You gotta set traps for Floyd. Like Molsey and Judah did who are both slick boxer punchers.

            Duran would make floyd fight on the back foot. Thats what floyd wants. You gotta trick floyd to feel more comfortable with leading off then rock him.
            the guys who tried this Zab and manny had less success than the all up in your ass pressure guys Jose Miguel Marcos

            Oscar isn't exactly a pressure guy either but the all up in your ass pressure allowed Oscar to peel 4 rounds off of Floyd: the 2nd the 4th the 6th

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              #126
              Originally posted by SouthpawRight
              I do not believe manny is that small

              He could have returned at 46 to 140 but instead chose 147

              the guys who tried this Zab and manny had less success than the all up in your ass pressure guys Jose Miguel Marcos

              Oscar isn't exactly a pressure guy either but the all up in your ass pressure allowed Oscar to peel 4 rounds off of Floyd: the 2nd the 4th the 6th
              Floyd had to start timeing Zab in his fight. He definitely had to make adjustments. Oscar mixes it up. Which makes him difficult to fight when hes focus. Also I wouldnt consider that a prime Oscar that fought Floyd and definitely not when Oscar lost to Manny.

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                #127
                Originally posted by MalevolentBite

                Also I wouldnt consider that a prime Oscar that fought Floyd and definitely not when Oscar lost to Manny.
                Careful,
                Pac beating "the brakes" off of DLH is one of Pac's biggest W's

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