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  • MalevolentBite
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    #111
    Originally posted by LoadedWraps

    They are both boxers in the same relative divisions, apples to oranges? Outrageous.
    Their styles, fundamentals and cultural impact are polar opposites Just because a mustang and a ferrari are both cars doesnt mean they should compared in the same category.

    Mustang is a muscle car while a Ferrari is sports car. One is designed to do better on a drag stripe the other is designed to do better on a circuit. One is based on American culture and the other based on Italian culture.

    Besides them being both welterweights at the same time and both being the consensus #1 and #2 thats where it ends.

    Manny is cut from the old 70s,80s of boxing where fighters came to fight, brawl and be crowd pleasing. Manny also is a cultural icon within his country. Manny being the smaller man would always be suspectable to losing to a better big man.

    Floyd is a brash egotistical defensive fighter. This style is only well liked by a sub culture in the sport and that in turn hurts his legacy in the eyes of many Americans and why manny is more popular than him. Not better. Comparing him to manny is a disservice to both of them.

    Manny should be compared to other small fighters that fought offensively and challenged themselves. Like Duran, Pryor, etc.

    Mayweather should be compared to other slick American fighters and boxers had flashes of offensive but overall more defensive. Pernell, Nicolino Locche, Willie Pep and sometimes James Toney.

    You cant compare Floyd and Manny like they are Ken/ Ryu, Sub Zero / Scorpion & Green latern / sinestro and etc because each one of these rivalry are basically carbon copies of each other and cancel each other out.

    No matter how you split it. Manny isnt better than floyd and never will beat Floyd at light weight or welterweight. Floyd's reach, ring generalship, IQ, counter punching and etc is Manny Pacquiaos kryptonite.

    While floyds kryptonite might be a slick boxer puncher. Maybe like Sugar Ray Leonard.

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    • SouthpawRight
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      #112
      Originally posted by MalevolentBite

      Their styles, fundamentals and cultural impact are polar opposites Just because a mustang and a ferrari are both cars doesnt mean they should compared in the same category.

      Mustang is a muscle car while a Ferrari is sports car. One is designed to do better on a drag stripe the other is designed to do better on a circuit. One is based on American culture and the other based on Italian culture.

      Besides them being both welterweights at the same time and both being the consensus #1 and #2 thats where it ends.

      Manny is cut from the old 70s,80s of boxing where fighters came to fight, brawl and be crowd pleasing. Manny also is a cultural icon within his country. Manny being the smaller man would always be suspectable to losing to a better big man.

      Floyd is a brash egotistical defensive fighter. This style is only well liked by a sub culture in the sport and that in turn hurts his legacy in the eyes of many Americans and why manny is more popular than him. Not better. Comparing him to manny is a disservice to both of them.

      Manny should be compared to other small fighters that fought offensively and challenged themselves. Like Duran, Pryor, etc.

      Mayweather should be compared to other slick American fighters and boxers had flashes of offensive but overall more defensive. Pernell, Nicolino Locche, Willie Pep and sometimes James Toney.

      You cant compare Floyd and Manny like they are Ken/ Ryu, Sub Zero / Scorpion & Green latern / sinestro and etc because each one of these rivalry are basically carbon copies of each other and cancel each other out.

      No matter how you split it. Manny isnt better than floyd and never will beat Floyd at light weight or welterweight. Floyd's reach, ring generalship, IQ, counter punching and etc is Manny Pacquiaos kryptonite.

      While floyds kryptonite might be a slick boxer puncher. Maybe like Sugar Ray Leonard.
      styles with an edge over Floyd: Henry and Roberto. two top 10 all time guys infighting swarmer

      Pernell would win rounds too

      Without the size advantage I do not see Sugar Leonard having edge

      Floyd made adjustments quicker than Sugar Leonard did
      1. Sugar Robinson
      2. Harry
      3. Henry
      4. Sam
      5. Ezzard
      6. Willie
      7. Muhammad
      8. Roberto
      9. Joe
      10. Sugar Leonard
      11. Floyd
      12. Benny
      13. Pernell
      14. manny

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      • El_Mero
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        #113
        Originally posted by SouthpawRight
        tu hermana!

        that paternal did a number on you El_Maricon and her

        come come El_Maricon
        Says the halfaf.ag fanboy.

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        • QueensburyRules
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          #114
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules

          - - Manny and l'l floydy only a year apart on their births. TBE TUE needed a 2 week backdated Vegas Commish TUE and Vegas altered scorecards to secure the win resulting in something like a $100 Mils in lawsuits.

          l'l floydy ran and cowered on the ropes with his back turned, a clear DQ when all Manny was trying to do was serve him the sushi l'l floydy ordered...
          - - Just a reminder...

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          • MalevolentBite
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            #115
            Originally posted by SouthpawRight
            styles with an edge over Floyd: Henry and Roberto. two top 10 all time guys infighting swarmer

            Pernell would win rounds too

            Without the size advantage I do not see Sugar Leonard having edge

            Floyd made adjustments quicker than Sugar Leonard did
            1. Sugar Robinson
            2. Harry
            3. Henry
            4. Sam
            5. Ezzard
            6. Willie
            7. Muhammad
            8. Roberto
            9. Joe
            10. Sugar Leonard
            11. Floyd
            12. Benny
            13. Pernell
            14. manny
            Roberto Duran only beat Leonard when Leonard fought his fight. When Leonard went to the slick boxer puncher. He made Duran quit.

            When a tall lanky boxer puncher like Hearns met Duran he folded him.

            Duran was able to hang with hagler due to the style of how hagler fought.

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              #116
              Originally posted by MalevolentBite



              No matter how you split it. Manny isnt better than floyd and never will beat Floyd at light weight or welterweight. Floyd's reach, ring generalship, IQ, counter punching and etc is Manny Pacquiaos kryptonite.

              While floyds kryptonite might be a slick boxer puncher. Maybe like Sugar Ray Leonard.
              But common opponents said Pac was better. It depends on what you mean better. If you mean harder to hit, than floyd is better. But common opponents dont say they thought Pac was tougher as hes especially hard to hit. Its everything else that Pac bought to table.
              How can you say Pac will never beat Floyd, when common opponents said Pac would. And Floyd would have to prove he can beat Pac twice? Bradley beat Pac once, as did Morales. But look what happened in a triology?
              Also Pac is considerably smaller so that you dont thinkPac can beat Floyd, dont actually mean Floyd is better, or rather greater fighter. Just means hes bigger with height and reach and naturaly weight advantages and youd favour Floyd. But floyd never even proved he was better than Pac h2h. We like triologies or rematches to determine that historically.
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                #117
                A win against Mike Tyson would lock King Floyd at #1.

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                  #118
                  Lol.....

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                  • MalevolentBite
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                    #119
                    Originally posted by hugh grant

                    But common opponents said Pac was better. It depends on what you mean better. If you mean harder to hit, than floyd is better. But common opponents dont say they thought Pac was tougher as hes especially hard to hit. Its everything else that Pac bought to table.
                    How can you say Pac will never beat Floyd, when common opponents said Pac would. And Floyd would have to prove he can beat Pac twice? Bradley beat Pac once, as did Morales. But look what happened in a triology?
                    Also Pac is considerably smaller so that you dont thinkPac can beat Floyd, dont actually mean Floyd is better, or rather greater fighter. Just means hes bigger with height and reach and naturaly weight advantages and youd favour Floyd. But floyd never even proved he was better than Pac h2h. We like triologies or rematches to determine that historically.
                    Is it just me or people on here dont read? I clearly stated that. Floyd would win because hes a naturally bigger guy with superior defensive skills. There's no opportunity for him to beat Floyd. Now if they both were the same size then thats a different story. Once again that would be a Pound 4 pound discussion not a better boxer/ fighter overall. I clearly said manny was better pound 4 pound over floyd but overall hes not better or could beat him at lightweight or welterweight.

                    Common fighters dont matter because styles make fights. Just because they have common opponents doesnt mean floyd or manny fought each one the same way especially floyd but the common disadvantage in your argument is. Floyd already beat Manny at 147lbs. Floyd has defeated everyone he fought. You have no leg for your argument unless you really believe manny lied going into a fight with known injury or you are debating pound 4 pound. This isnt a pound for pound article its the best overall in the century. Floyd beat manny in this century.

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                    • hugh grant
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                      #120
                      Originally posted by MalevolentBite

                      Is it just me or people on here dont read? I clearly stated that. Floyd would win because hes a naturally bigger guy with superior defensive skills. There's no opportunity for him to beat Floyd. Now if they both were the same size then thats a different story. Once again that would be a Pound 4 pound discussion not a better boxer/ fighter overall. I clearly said manny was better pound 4 pound over floyd but overall hes not better or could beat him at lightweight or welterweight.

                      Common fighters dont matter because styles make fights. Just because they have common opponents doesnt mean floyd or manny fought each one the same way especially floyd but the common disadvantage in your argument is. Floyd already beat Manny at 147lbs. Floyd has defeated everyone he fought. You have no leg for your argument unless you really believe manny lied going into a fight with known injury or you are debating pound 4 pound. This isnt a pound for pound article its the best overall in the century. Floyd beat manny in this century.
                      You literally making no sense. You saying floyd always beats pac as he's bigger. That's just an opinion as floyd only had 1 controversial win over pac. DLH and Cott o said pac in his prime beats floyd, again just an opinion but they shared ring with both. Actually DLH has flip flopped on who'd win, he has said floyd and I've heard him say pac too. But it's about if Pac was in prime, rather than if pac was naturally bigger that pac beats floyd. Calzaghe beats pac overall too I guess as he's bigger?
                      Pac is better pf p fighter. That's all that matters and all we are discussing. You seem to want to think floyd beats pac if naturally same size too? Again that's just your opinion. We want tangible things of what's been accomplished in careers
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