Comments Thread For: Vergil Ortiz-Erickson Lubin set for fall showdown

[Bronx2245]

You have a pretty low threshold for a "trash" legacy if you think Thurman's is trash.
Is Spence's legacy trash, too? Didn't fight Floyd or PacMan (scheduled to, but didn't). Fought Bud. Got destroyed.
Is Crawford's WW legacy trash, too? Didn't fight Floyd or PacMan.
Btw, who is the 4th "best WW of his generation?" he missed out on? Top 4 would include Thurman (unified titlist), so he can't fight himself.

Floyd, Spence, Crawford, and a loss to Pac. At least he fought PAC, but PAC was old, and still won! Spence’s legacy is not great, but better than Thurman! Thurman kept telling Spence he had to earn the right to fight him. That was done after Spence broke Brook. When Boots asked, he said he didn’t know who Boots was! Porter fought Crawford, Thurman didn’t even try! Crawford’s legacy is solid, going from 135 to 154. Could’ve been better had he fought PAC when they were both with TR. If he beats Canelo, he becomes Legendary!!!

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Floyd, Spence, Crawford, and a loss to Pac. At least he fought PAC, but PAC was old, and still won! Spence’s legacy is not great, but better than Thurman! Thurman kept telling Spence he had to earn the right to fight him. That was done after Spence broke Brook. When Boots asked, he said he didn’t know who Boots was! Porter fought Crawford, Thurman didn’t even try! Crawford’s legacy is solid, going from 135 to 154. Could’ve been better had he fought PAC when they were both with TR. If he beats Canelo, he becomes Legendary!!!

I don't think Spence's legacy is better than Thurman's. I'd say they're equal. But, once Thurman beats Fundora and is a two-weight champ, he'll have jumped Spence.

Crawford's legacy is legit, of course. I was just trying to make a point about his WW legacy, which I think is legit as well (PacMan was definitely steered clear of Bud when they were both with TR). WHEN Bud beats Canelo his legacygoes to another level.

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[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

I favor Ortiz as well, but Lubin has a real shot.

I agree with Oscar about the IBF 10 lb rehydration clause. It's not ideal for many fighters, probably especially those who've dealt with rhabdomyolysis.

And Jonas is right, too, for choosing this fight over Murtazaliev. They're prizefighters after all. His reasoning is sound.

I don't like that 10lb rehydration clause either. If you hit the weight at the weigh in , whatever happens with the weight after that should not be anyones business. I don't think that it is healthy to keep a guy dehydrated for an extended period. It has got to be a huge impediment during the fight to start it off dehydrated already. I'm not a Neurologist but I don't believe that it is good for the brain either. Fluid provides some level of protection for the brain in my opinion ( which could be wrong).

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

Bakhram getting alot of hype based off that one win against Tszyu. The Chechen fighter struggled with an ancient Culcay in his only other noteworthy fight and went the distance with Valenzuela (who was stopped by Zayas and Alexis Rocha).

Maybe that win against Tszyu says more about Timmy than it does about Bakhram.

Very good point. Tszyu walked to Murtazaliev with his hands down , chin in the air and expecting him to fall down just from looking at him. He was asking to get K.O'd. Good win for Murtazaliev but in my opinion not nearly enough to proclaim him to be some sort of bogeyman.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

I am still puzzled after all these years as a top contender, first at 147 and now at 154 that Vergil Ortiz is not fighting for a title. What is he waiting for?

That's a really good question , it's surprising especially since I see him as the winner vs just about anyone at 47 and 54. No cherry picking necessary.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

"docholiday", you sound like someone who was never liked by his own people, not being able to get girls or dudes to notice you, let alone get a date with anyone around you. Get your ******, moronic, low self-esteem having a*s off this site. You can't compete or win at anything you've ever tried, so you resort to making ignorant, racist remarks about individual that you can only wish you had a fraction of their amazing qualities. No surprise there, though: most racists are rejects of their own kind... Hitler is a perfect example of such low-life-trash.

I agree 100% with everything that you are saying but it's better to not feed the troll. The sad underdeveloped personality is just looking for the attention that he never gets in real life. Even negative attention is better than no attention for someone like that. Just ignore him , take away his reward.

[Bronx2245]

I don't think Spence's legacy is better than Thurman's. I'd say they're equal. But, once Thurman beats Fundora and is a two-weight champ, he'll have jumped Spence.

Crawford's legacy is legit, of course. I was just trying to make a point about his WW legacy, which I think is legit as well (PacMan was definitely steered clear of Bud when they were both with TR). WHEN Bud beats Canelo his legacygoes to another level.

I’ll never get passed Thurman’s excuses for not fighting Spence and Boots, so I’m just biased, but if he beats Fundora, I’ll give him his props.

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In case you missed it, my reply was to the comment that "Bakhram Murtazaliev would crush either one". I'm not out here beating the drum for Lubin or Ortiz, claiming they're monsters that everybody is ducking. And with no basis for that other than he crushed Tim Tszyu and "everybody is avoiding him."

Well.. he would certainly crush Lubin. That's also why Ortiz picked him... And for now, Although he has a belt, no one seems to be lining up to figth Murtha... including Ortiz. So yeah, i think it's safe to say he is being avoided.

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Well.. he would certainly crush Lubin. That's also why Ortiz picked him... And for now, Although he has a belt, no one seems to be lining up to figth Murtha... including Ortiz. So yeah, i think it's safe to say he is being avoided.

On what do you base your certainty that he would crush Lubin? I, personally, think Lubin would beat Bakhram. Culcay gave Bakrham fits and he has nowhere near the boxing skills, talent, or punching power that Erikson has.
Ortiz is avoiding the IBF (rehydration limit), not Murtazaliev. If Ortiz hadn't had two stints with rhabdomyolysis I'd probably think the rehydration clause is an excuse.
Being avoided isn't the same as being ducked. Prize fighters have to take lots of factors into consideration.