Comments Thread For: Vergil Ortiz-Erickson Lubin set for fall showdown

[champion4ever]

I favor Ortiz as well, but Lubin has a real shot.

I agree with Oscar about the IBF 10 lb rehydration clause. It's not ideal for many fighters, probably especially those who've dealt with rhabdomyolysis.

And Jonas is right, too, for choosing this fight over Murtazaliev. They're prizefighters after all. His reasoning is sound.

I just so happen to agree with you. You are right. Vergil Ortiz should be the odds on favorite and rightfully so because he is undefeated.

However, Erickson is the naturally larger and stronger man who can also punch at this 154 lbs weight division. Whereas, Vergil Ortiz has proven that he cannot punch at this higher weight division.

[Tag, You're Hit]

All good points. Generally, Lubin is in entertaining fights (Ramos fight excepted) as is Ortiz. Lubin can't make this a firefight, needs to look for counters when Ortiz makes mistakes and try to outbox him.

I don't hate this fight. There could be far worse.

I totally agree on the proper Lubin game plan you outlined: box and counter. Lubin has real power. Make Ortiz miss and make him pay.

[Tag, You're Hit]

Bakhram Murtazaliev would crush either one. Ortiz had been ducking him from the beginning of his 154 campaign. He's only targeting the weak belt holders.

Name two top fighters Murtazaliev beat. And don't try to get out of it by saying he hasn't beaten two because he's been ducked.

[Tag, You're Hit]

I like this fight more than Fundora vs. Thurman, and definitely better than the Boots fight! I would like to see Jesus Ramos get the fight with Murtazliev! Jesus fights to win!

Nah. I'm looking forward to this fight, but I'm WAY more interested Fundora vs. Thurman. My boy Keith back in a big fight finally. It'll be interesting all the way from the announcement, through the lead up, and into the fight.

[Tag, You're Hit]

I just so happen to agree with you. You are right. Vergil Ortiz should be the odds on favorite and rightfully so because he is undefeated.

However, Erickson is the naturally larger and stronger man who can also punch at this 154 lbs weight division. Whereas, Vergil Ortiz has proven that he cannot punch at this higher weight division.

I'm not sure about Lubin being naturally bigger simply because he's always fought at 154. Ortiz obviously wasn't meant to be fighting at 147, at least not for as long as he did. And I'm also not convinced Lubin punches harder or that Vergil's power hasn't translated up. I think the main think about Ortiz is that the competition has gotten better in his last couple of fights. I think Lubin's power is DIFFERENT - it's more sudden off of speed & accuracy vs. Ortiz's being a more thudding type of break-you-down power.

[steeve steel]

Name two top fighters Murtazaliev beat. And don't try to get out of it by saying he hasn't beaten two because he's been ducked.

Name 2 top guys Lubin beat? lol He got knocked out twice and barely beat Ramos, who's nothing special. He had a chance to go for a belt, and he didn't. Why? His manager explained pretty clearly. "We lose against Murta and were done. We lose against Ortiz and we can get another fight." Either way, Lubin is losing. But the real duck is Vergil. And his excuse? Ahhh.. the 10 pounds. All about legacy i guess..

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Name 2 top guys Lubin beat? lol He got knocked out twice and barely beat Ramos, who's nothing special. He had a chance to go for a belt, and he didn't. Why? His manager explained pretty clearly. "We lose against Murta and were done. We lose against Ortiz and we can get another fight." Either way, Lubin is losing. But the real duck is Vergil. And his excuse? Ahhh.. the 10 pounds. All about legacy i guess..

In case you missed it, my reply was to the comment that "Bakhram Murtazaliev would crush either one". I'm not out here beating the drum for Lubin or Ortiz, claiming they're monsters that everybody is ducking. And with no basis for that other than he crushed Tim Tszyu and "everybody is avoiding him."

[Left Hook Louie]

In case you missed it, my reply was to the comment that "Bakhram Murtazaliev would crush either one". I'm not out here beating the drum for Lubin or Ortiz, claiming they're monsters that everybody is ducking. And with no basis for that other than he crushed Tim Tszyu and "everybody is avoiding him."

What's interesting to me is the Boogeyman Effect wherein a somewhat obscure but legit fighter destroys a name opponent and is then anointed with a Monster Of The Division mystique. Murtazaliev (Tzsyu) and Bakole (Big Baby) are the most recent examples that come to mind. And I fall for it, too. I think it speaks to a visceral boxing fan's desire for a generational KO artist to start tearing through all his opponents and, in the process, undo years of constant disappointments the sport seems to heap on us in almost every way.

[Nightfall]

This is a great fight. It'll show where Ortiz is at 154 because Lubin has a ton of experience and is still in his prime. I'm really looking forward to this scrap

[champion4ever]

I'm not sure about Lubin being naturally bigger simply because he's always fought at 154. Ortiz obviously wasn't meant to be fighting at 147, at least not for as long as he did. And I'm also not convinced Lubin punches harder or that Vergil's power hasn't translated up. I think the main think about Ortiz is that the competition has gotten better in his last couple of fights. I think Lubin's power is DIFFERENT - it's more sudden off of speed & accuracy vs. Ortiz's being a more thudding type of break-you-down power.

Nice breakdown of the two fighters. It was absolutely brilliant and I totally agree..

While Lubin has fought at the 154 lbs weight division for his entire career; It doesn’t necessarily mean that he is naturally larger of the two fighters.

At 147; Ortiz was mowing through everyone. I get it that he has stepped up his level of opposition at 154 but a fighter typically brings their power up with them.

So far he hasn’t shown that he has. His punches just seem to lack the same amount of snap, pop and steam on them as they did at 147.

Which was the reason why I believe he struggled with Serhii Bohachuk. Since when have we seen Vergil Ortiz ever fighting off the back foot at 147?

The answer is never because he was always the naturally larger and stronger man. I don’t know about this fight. It’s still a catch 22 for me. I think it’s still a 50/50 fight.

Where we both have to agree is that they are both ducking Bakhram Murtazaliev. Also, Ortiz has never challenged for a world championship title for his entire career and I just wonder why?