Let's fix Boxing In America with organizational development

[harrys]

What is the American Amateur system like these days?
Traditionally a lot of Pro Champs have come through that system and a lot of those fighters fought in International competitions representing America, is that right?
Can that be improved? State or federal funding or private investing? What, in this day and age would be more likely?

As we have seen with the rise of Lomachenko and Usyk, there are many styles in Boxing and when you look at the Amateur career of Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Evander Holyfield, Mark Breland just to name a few, they were world class Amateur boxers before they turned Pro.

As we saw with the rise of Anthony Joshua in Great Britain and the way it lifted Pro Boxing over there to getting up to 90,000 people at the venue and millions watching all over the world, sometimes it just takes that one fighter with the right charisma to come along.

[real raw]

Lmaooo. Raw is a clown. He cant help him self. Maybe i will entertain him later today but not now.

America First.

Yes, entertain me. Entertain us all with you re-creation of the wheel.

[real raw]

Lmaooo. Raw is a clown. He cant help him self. Maybe i will entertain him later today but not now.

America First.

So rather than defend or strengthen your argument, you resort to name calling. Very mature. Lol. You are very funny.

[MalevolentBite]

A lot more people know Stevenson & Shields than would know who they are if they weren't Olympians.

Hell, Shields is the most famous American female boxer because she was an Olympian.

She had movies & documentaries made about her because she was an Olympic champion.

Stevenson is not known outside the boxing community stop that.

Shields is increasing her popularity by going online and beefing with Remy ma and dating Papoose. She got the highest ceiling but she was never as popular as Rhonda Rousey. Everyone knew Rhonda. UFC does a better job promoting fighers.

Amanda Serrano is lucky to find Jake Paul. He helped her alot and him putting her on netflix.

[MalevolentBite]

That's funny, not american. As I mentioned, government's role is strictly limited safety and oversight, not creation, which is what you are describing.

Everything you mention is already in place, it's called the Golden Gloves and the Police Athletic League.

"You can make anyone fight who you want them to fight" Sound like you are advocating human "****fighting".

I added other countries because I assumed (my bad) that the reason you are advocating your system, because you are dissatified that big name fighters don't fight who you want them to fight, or often enough. I shouldn't have assumed your resoning. Many top fighters, both ameture and professional reside outside of US jurisdiction, therefore your "comission" would do little to imcrease the popularity of boxing in the US. The public wants to see the best fighters, that's what drives interest.

You mentioned Boots, a professional fighter. A world class professional fighter. You want to make him fight in Harrisburg, PA???? wth wants to fight in Harrisburg, PA? Boots doesn't have to explain anything to you or anyone else. Who cares that he isn't doing fast food commercials. If you see an opportunity, and want to picth him on it, go for it! But don't lead with, "you have to explain to me why you aren't fighting in central PA," I doubt that's going to get you very far.

Please explain how you thing boxing is mismanged?

You plan is quasi ameture, quais professional. You can't have both. You are trying to enforce an ameture league system on a professional, individual centered sport. In a professional sport, pros follow the money. Nothing in your plan mentions compensation. If YOU were american, you'd understan that, lol. Use your business background to figure out how to get fighters paid, they'll flock to you. Or start your own local gym in central PA. Hosts some ameture tournaments, maybe some localised pro bouts. Create your Blue Horizon in central PA.

He doesn't have to fight in Harrisburg. It would be a good opportunity for him to grow his brand outside of philadelphia and it would pull more people from Pittsburgh & Maryland areas to see him fight to help build more a regional fan base then just one in Philly. There's money to be made fighting on the road within your state boxers now are only assumed to fighting in Vegas, New York and thats pretty much it. Back in the day boxers would have big fights in many different American towns. This not only helps the boxer grows their fan base but it also helps stimulate the local economy of some of this regional eras kinda like some of these "trump ralleys).

Harrisbarrig is the capital city of the commonwealth of Pennsylvania. It is the ninth-most populous city in the state, with a population of 50,099 at the 2020 census, while the Harrisburg–Carlisle metropolitan statistical area has an estimated 615,000 residents and is the fourth-most populous metropolitan area in the state.

I actually drove to see boots fight in Atlantic City it was a great success. Eddie did a great job promoting that fight to the local community and they got people from New York , Philly , North Jersey to come.

Harrisburg isnt that far from Philly. They can pull people from Philly, Camden new Jersey, Baltimore MD, and Pittsburgh if he hosted a fight in Harrisburg.

harrisburg has the Pennsylvania Farm Show Complex & Expo Center.

The complex consists of the following components:
Main Hall, 146,527 square feet

GIANT Exposition Hall, 172,000 square feet

New Holland Arena, 28,000 square feet (2,600 m2) at floor level, 7318 seats!

Equine Arena, 39,200 square feet (3,640 m2) at floor, 1660 seats

Small Arena, 4,000 square feet (370 m2) at floor, 918 seats

If he picked the Holland area and the average ticket price is $300 thats an easy 2.1 million. Thats not bad especially since boots likes to fight a couple cans here and there.

I mentioned the state will fund the fights. Just like how the states fund state colleges that host football games. You stated you are from Pennsylvania you ever went to a Penn state game ?

They shut down state college. It sells out each season.

[MalevolentBite]

Ohh man. Your time isn't free, lol. You are the one who statred the post. No one asked you to start it, like no one asked for your solution in search of a problem. I 100 percent guarantee you that i am red, white and blue amierican. pennsylvainian by birth, and that i know and understand more about boxing that you do.

BTW, I'm not "creeping" your post. You put it out there for discussion, I'm discussing it. Hell, outside of yourself, I'm the only one who's even bothered to reply to it. And i do it because I find it absurd.

Where do you live in Pennsylvania?

[MalevolentBite]

So rather than defend or strengthen your argument, you resort to name calling. Very mature. Lol. You are very funny.

Ask away. What other questions do you have my fellow keystone state friend. I must admit. I am not actually from PA. I just moved here a few years ago.

You're right. It wasnt right for me to call you a clown. You are always entitled to your own opinion.

[MalevolentBite]

nah, i'm talking to you , malevolentbite. And I count jussst, fine. I was "guestimating" the number since there's been so little commentary outside of me and yourself. It wasn't worth the effort of an actual count.

But I understand why you no longer want to comment on your plan.

Just admit. You tried to shade me with that 4 person comment and I made note of it. Its whatever.

[MalevolentBite]

What is the American Amateur system like these days?
Traditionally a lot of Pro Champs have come through that system and a lot of those fighters fought in International competitions representing America, is that right?
Can that be improved? State or federal funding or private investing? What, in this day and age would be more likely?

As we have seen with the rise of Lomachenko and Usyk, there are many styles in Boxing and when you look at the Amateur career of Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Evander Holyfield, Mark Breland just to name a few, they were world class Amateur boxers before they turned Pro.

As we saw with the rise of Anthony Joshua in Great Britain and the way it lifted Pro Boxing over there to getting up to 90,000 people at the venue and millions watching all over the world, sometimes it just takes that one fighter with the right charisma to come along.

I am not going to lie. I have no clue. I haven't heard anyone talk about golden gloves in casual conversation since 2005. I barley watch Olympic boxing. The average American doesn't care about it. Its rare to find hard-core boxing fans out in the wild. You will find fanboys online and maybe ar fights but they couldn't tell you the current golden glove champion.

[real raw]

Two things humans are always going to do, hold racing competitions between anything that moves, and fight anything that will fight. So boxing is going to be OK. It doesn't need to be as popular as the NFL, it just needs to exist.

Born and raised in Philadelphia, PA. And proudly so, although I don't currently live in area.

The time for Boots, or anyone of his stature to fight in Harrisburg, or any small venue has long since gone. World class fighters fight on the world stage. But most fighters fight in smaller venues on their way up, not when they have reached world class level. After they have built the name and fan base, fans travel to the fighter. Future world champions are fighting in small venues right now, building a fan base. Since we are using ennis as an example, I looked at his fight record. his 1st 19ish, pro fights were held in small venue loctions. Fighters can only fight where promoters hold fights.

Penn State football is no comparison to boxing. Not only does it have a built in fan base of 90,000 which refreshes itself yearly, it's a part of the the NCAA football program. It's apples and oranges.

I think you over estimate the popularity of the UFC. Their fighters are not household names. They may be widely known in the combat community, but I'm pretty sure the average person would be hard pressed to name a division champion, let alone an unranked fighter.

Harrisburg may be the capital, but Philadelphia is Pennsylvania. Put yourself in a promoter's shoes: are you going to use your resources to put on a fight card in the 9th most populous city, or the MOST populous city? It's your money, you want a return on your money as well as mimimizing your risk. Which location do you choose?

Everything you described is already happening, I just don't think you are looking for it. There's already local and regional amature fight/ champions. Beginning professionals are already fighting in small town venues. You could have watched Boot's 19th fight in the Norfolk, Masonic Temple, with a whopping capcity of 439.