I don't know how Pacquiao popped into this topic but I'd say both Mayweather and Pac are All Time Greats, but neither is the Greatest of All Time.
WHY is FLOYD NOT the greatest boxer of all time?
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In recent talk, the question has been if Usyk is the GOAT. I think it was John Nelson from the UK in an interview who said, the GOAT shouldn't just be considered what they did inside the ring, but what they did outside. This was why he rated Ali ahead of Usyk because of everything Ali did outside the ring in addition to inside.
Floyd has ZERO accomplishments outside the ring besides bragging about his money. That alone should forever dismiss him from GOAT talk.
If you wanted to talk about accomplishments outside the ring in addition to inside, Pacquaio is miles ahead of Floyd, yet Pacquiao is not on Ali level either... Don't let the fake zero full you.
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It's his style of fighting and so called humble personality that gets him attention.
He's the "good" guy while his nemesis May is the "bad" guy
Pac could not survive May's road to HOF
May would be undefeated if he had Pac's resume.
"Outside stuff"!!!!!!!!!!!
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Who cares if floyd has a win over pac and scared to give rematch? SRL has 3 wins over duran, what does it mean? Duran is still greater. Horn has a win over pac, what does it mean?
Floyd's just a name collector it didn't matter to floyd the circumstances. That's not greatness. Greatness is challenging yourself. Like floyd fighting ggg, and not getting koed, although.losing to ggg. That's great as everyone would expect floyd to be koed.
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Oscar
Hatton
Cotto
Shane
Gatti
Manny
Corrales
Alvarez
You'd think beating all those names back to back would put you in top 5 but it don't because most of those guys weren't in their prime
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C'mon, you know how. Both have a solid set of sycophants who have to turn any talk about one into a discussion about the other. Mind you, this isnt all fans of theirs, just a select few. You can make an innocuous comment about one (almost like a Rorschach Test), and they go off the deep end about their guy. They can't help it.Comment
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Any list is biased if they have floyd above pac. Claiming a unbeaten record, when most think you lost at least 4 time, never fought outside backyard, never gave rematches and ducked fighting young lions, then Floyd's unbeaten record means nothing. You'd be correct there.
Who cares if floyd has a win over pac and scared to give rematch? SRL has 3 wins over duran, what does it mean? Duran is still greater. Horn has a win over pac, what does it mean?
Floyd's just a name collector it didn't matter to floyd the circumstances. That's not greatness. Greatness is challenging yourself. Like floyd fighting ggg, and not getting koed, although.losing to ggg. That's great as everyone would expect floyd to be koed.
Tell me that story again about how wins/losses mean nothing.Comment
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But no really acceptable explanation why?.Your explanation is usually along lines of, he has a win over pac, he never lost?
I try to be reasonable and reply calzaghe has a win over hopkins and rjj and never lost. I say marciano has win over Joe Louis and never lost.
Why is floyd so entitled?. Joe calzaghe and marciano are going to feel hard done by, with floyd being shown favouritism.
Floyd doesn't need to be ranked higher than Ali, or SRR but there's an almost desperation that floyd has to be ranked above pac for some reason?Last edited by hugh grant; 07-27-2025, 04:37 PM.Comment
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