Floyd Mayweather vs Juan Manuel Marquez

[TintaBoricua]

Ok so again if you don't think Marquez would have beaten Mayweather, why did Floyd not honor the catchweight agreement, being that he held every conceivable advantage naturally, plus Marquez was totally untested at 147. Having an extra two months isn't gonna make him a full fledged ww imo

You’re right, he would’ve had to have several fights for him to grow into it.

I’m all for criticizing Floyd for what he did coming in past the originally agreed upon limit weight (they changed it on the day of contractually).

All I’m saying is that in the larger scope of things, when I look at Marquez’s later career at welterweight giving Pacquiao hell when the media said he was “too small”, and yet he continued to give him hell two more fights, holding his own against Timothy Bradley, and knocked down and beat Mike Alvarado…he was a always a great fighter BUT…

Having said all that, I don’t give Floyd a lot of grief for that (and believe me, there are a lot of other things to give him grief about) because I always chalk it up to Floyd just being a bad match-up for a style like Marquez’s. I never saw anything post 2008 (from Marquez) that would’ve flustered Mayweather. Is it admonishable what Floyd did? Yes. Do I think that deviated a lot from the end result of the fight? No, not really.

[B Phontain]

Lots of excuses for a guy who was #2 p4p in the world. Floyd aint no big guy. He didn't weight bully Marquez. He just gave him hands. He was coming off a year and some change layoff. He took even longer because he got injured in camp. You could literally see the rib sticking out of Floyd's side.

Because of the injury marquez had EVEN more time to get to the weight. What made it so impressive to me is Marquez with all those skills couldn't even make it a decent performance. He looked like he didn't belong in the ring with a guy knocking off ring rust and a injury. I personally thought it was very impressive

[djtmal]

You’re right, he would’ve had to have several fights for him to grow into it.

I’m all for criticizing Floyd for what he did coming in past the originally agreed upon limit weight (they changed it on the day of contractually).

All I’m saying is that in the larger scope of things, when I look at Marquez’s later career at welterweight giving Pacquiao hell when the media said he was “too small”, and yet he continued to give him hell two more fights, holding his own against Timothy Bradley, and knocked down and beat Mike Alvarado…he was a always a great fighter BUT…

Having said all that, I don’t give Floyd a lot of grief for that (and believe me, there are a lot of other things to give him grief about) because I always chalk it up to Floyd just being a bad match-up for a style like Marquez’s. I never saw anything post 2008 (from Marquez) that would’ve flustered Mayweather. Is it admonishable what Floyd did? Yes. Do I think that deviated a lot from the end result of the fight? No, not really.

Ok so the point is this was a blatant cherrypick.

So when people call Floyd a cherrypicker, we can refer back to these statements

[TintaBoricua]

Ok so the point is this was a blatant cherrypick.

So when people call Floyd a cherrypicker, we can refer back to these statements

A “cherry-pick”, sure. Double standards between May and Pac, but whatever.
Tomayto, tomahto.

[djtmal]

A “cherry-pick”, sure. Double standards between May and Pac, but whatever.
Tomayto, tomahto.

We not talking about Manny though we talking about Floyd the guy who is his own boss until it's time to take accountability

At least you acknowledge the blatant cherrypick which is more than most Floyd fanboys do

[TintaBoricua]

We not talking about Manny though we talking about Floyd the guy who is his own boss until it's time to take accountability

At least you acknowledge the blatant cherrypick which is more than most Floyd fanboys do

I was being sarcastic.

“Cherrypicked” is a woefully overused term these days.

A cherry-pick to me is something like when somebody who absolutely is nowhere nearly enough skilled or merit (recent wins, overall resume) getting chosen.

ie…Danny Garcia fighting Rod Salka.

ie…Canelo fighting Berlanga.

The latter was strictly chosen because it was formulaic. An undefeated Puerto Rican, power puncher, wears the black hat of the narrative…

I know Floyd got a lot of flack for beating up on Marquez in the immediate aftermath, but post 2009 Marquez showed he was still a threat at 147.

You’re asking me why did Floyd need every conceivable advantage? ****, my guess is as good as yours.

Your assumption is just su****ion. We’re going in circles. That fight was 12-0 or 11-1 at best. If people had clamored for a rematch when Marquez iced Manny, I still think Floyd at his worst would’ve beaten Marquez in my humble opinion.

What you’re sounding like is sorta like me when I get cranky about Manny Pacquiao allowing both Oscar de la Hoya and Joshua Clottey fight at the full 147 pound weight limit but made Miguel Cotto go down to 145. But then I just decide to NOT die on that hill because in the end, I really don’t think it would’ve made that much of a difference. Maybe Cotto wins a couple more rounds but drags himself to the finish line lumped slightly less. Who knows?

We’re just drawing hypotheticals.

[ELPacman]

This is true .This point , though is part of what makes Floyd an ATG that dude was disciplined AF all year round .

Bro, Floyd "retiring" sounds like it went over your head if you're giving him props for it. He literally put a pause on his career by saying he retired so guys in his division can beat themselves up. Then wait and see the outcomes to pick and choose the best route. It was fake retirement just to avoid some of the more dangerous opponents.

[joseph5620]

This is just emotionally immature pathologising of disagreement. Very boring.

No. It's just another acknowledgement of an ignorant casual fan showing how uneducated they are when it comes to boxing. That would be you. Boring.

[joseph5620]

Bro, Floyd "retiring" sounds like it went over your head if you're giving him props for it. He literally put a pause on his career by saying he retired so guys in his division can beat themselves up. Then wait and see the outcomes to pick and choose the best route. It was fake retirement just to avoid some of the more dangerous opponents.

He didn't put a pause on staying in shape. That was the point . You're the one that had something go over your head. But it's understandable that you couldn't see it through your Pacquiao worshipping.

[Coverdale]

No. It's just another acknowledgement of an ignorant casual fan showing how uneducated they are when it comes to boxing. That would be you. Boring.

Oh you're really still going with this?