Comments Thread For: 10 things we learned from Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II

[BoxingUpdates]

On Saturday night at London?s Wembley Stadium, Oleksandr Usyk defeated Daniel Dubois for a second time to retain his world heavyweight title. Elliot W 10 of the things we learned...
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[ecuasionz]

11. DDD can't throw a snappy, straight, or effective jab to save his own life.

[4truth]

Tyson did not beat Usyk in either fight but the second fight was at least close. That it was so close, despite Fury being in abysmal condition, convinces me that he COULD beat Usyk IF he could focus on training for about 4-6 months.

Usyk is beating these guys with his planning, training and preparation. I mean, what exactly was Daniel's plan? He came into the rematch substantially heavier than the first fight, then instead of trying to impose his strength on Usyk, he decided to stand and box with him.

[M312]

11. DDD can't throw a snappy, straight, or effective jab to save his own life.

That's ridiculous, his jab is a beast... Against orthodox boxers.

BUT, I don't really understand why so many people, not just against Usyk, but often against southpaws, train to lead with the jab.

The jab just doesn't work v southpaws, they move away from it and land their own because they are used to fighting orthodox boxers.

You HAVE to lead with a straight right hand. Forget about the jab, or bring it into play when they are concerned about the straight right. Straight rights will land.
AJ did it in the second fight against Usyk and had loads of success (saw it v Wallin too), he just needed more than that, but it was the right start point.

You are not going to win a jab contest with a decent southpaw, no matter how good your jab is.

Southpaws will walk onto lead straight rights though, they concentrate on watching the jab.

Barbosa v Catterall is another recent example. Jack had little answer to the lead rights, found it incredibly difficult to adjust.

[noone]

so tyson fury still thinks he beat usyk ...twice!!! WHAO!!! soooooooo interesting and significant. by the way, my three year old thinks he is a dinosaur. maybe the author of this piece can add that to the list as well. cause it carries about the same amount of importance as what mr fury thinks and says.

[ecuasionz]

That's ridiculous, his jab is a beast... Against orthodox boxers.

BUT, I don't really understand why so many people, not just against Usyk, but often against southpaws, train to lead with the jab.

The jab just doesn't work v southpaws, they move away from it and land their own because they are used to fighting orthodox boxers.

You HAVE to lead with a straight right hand. Forget about the jab, or bring it into play when they are concerned about the straight right. Straight rights will land.
AJ did it in the second fight against Usyk and had loads of success (saw it v Wallin too), he just needed more than that, but it was the right start point.

You are not going to win a jab contest with a decent southpaw, no matter how good your jab is.

Southpaws will walk onto lead straight rights though, they concentrate on watching the jab.

Barbosa v Catterall is another recent example. Jack had little answer to the lead rights, found it incredibly difficult to adjust.

In this particular fight DDD was throwing hooks instead of Jabs. It was taking way too long to get to the target. It just look like he didn't have a plan but to throw powershots with both hands. Usyk would just escape left, but a quick straight jab could have maybe cut him off. A straight would have been nice too. But, DDD could only hook in this fight, which didn't work at all.

[M312]

In this particular fight DDD was throwing hooks instead of Jabs. It was taking way too long to get to the target. It just look like he didn't have a plan but to throw powershots with both hands. Usyk would just escape left, but a quick straight jab could have maybe cut him off. A straight would have been nice too. But, DDD could only hook in this fight, which didn't work at all.

Leading with a left hook isn't generally an awful idea v southpaws. It's better than leading with a jab to the head.

You can catch them while they lean in or pivot, or counter their jab, but that's the mastery of Usyk, his judgement of distance and speed on the pivot nullifies that tactic.

What DDD probably worked on was the left hook, right hand, which can be effective, but I'm personally more of a fan of straight right, left hook - southpaws rarely see it coming.

I mean, I'm saying this as if it could work, realistically it would just give Usyk some problems until he works it out and adjusts, or wears you down with his constant movement and pressure.
The man is a master.

But because he has a great jab, DDD did try to use it to the head too much and nah, no chance. You need to be versatile and think about a southpaws weakness, not just your strengths.

If he wanted to use his ramrod jab, it should've been to his chest or body.

[Rockenator]

What we really learned?

1. Dubois has a glass jaw. A powderpuff, creampuff, paper mache jaw. A featherweight could knock out Dubois with a clean punch. OK, maybe hyperbole. How about a middleweight?

2. Credit to Usyk for staying in such great shape and bringing a game plan to destroy Dubois. But honestly, not a lot of thought needed for that game plan. Dubois is really easy to hit. Slow with very little head movement. Just a big forehead with a "hit me" sign on it.

3. The heavyweight division is a sad sack of **** boxers. And it's been that way for the last 10 years. I mean, it's ridiculous. There really isn't any heavyweight boxer that would have sniffed a championship fight in earlier days.

4. I do not rate Usyk in my top ten heavyweights of all time. At best, he'd be number ten. He'll probably go undefeated but he's never been tested. That's not his fault. You can only fight who they put in front of you. I just don't think of Usyk in the same breath as Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Marciano, Louis, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis or Klitschko. Add fighters like Shavers or even Bowe. Even heavyweights that never won a title are way better than today's heavyweights.

5. Parker? Please. Another glass jaw and weak puncher.

[landotter]

Usyk can only add to his legacy by fighting new names. He has beaten Joshua, Fury and Chisora solidly, if not dominantly. Parker is the only chioce next for his legacy and then if one of the younger HW look promising, that is the way to go if he continues past Parker.

However... Usyk can only really add greatly to his bank account by agreeing to rematches. I am not sure what he wants more at this point, but if he wants to be sure he can help as many people as possible back in the Ukraine more than he wants to worry about legacy, go ahead and beat Fury for a third time. He has earned the right to choose without criticism.

Please do not fight Fury again, fight Joe Parker... Please please please.....

[Liondw]

Usyk is great, and he's beaten all the top British fighters.

Now, if Lennox Lewis was around, that would be a different story, as Lennox would've demolished Usyk.