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  • Contrary to what people say, you have to box/counterpunch Usyk to beat him

    Usyk's toughest fight to this day was Briedis, who spent long periods boxing with Usyk and counterpunching him.

    Fury's best period was rounds 3-6 in the first fight, when he was out boxing Usyk and walking him onto upper cuts. Hell, even Bellew had some brief success walking Usyk into right hands.

    None of these guys could sustain it of course, because Usyk of course made the adjustments and also had far better fitness down the stretch.

    But it's still far better to try that than to just try bumrush the guy. In what world can you just rush an elite boxer? He will knock you out every time.

    Before anyone says "but Chisora", you clearly didn't watch that fight. It was an obvious 8-4 fight where Usyk had him hurt multiple times after round 7 and could have stopped him if he wanted to go up a gear but was being nice. That fight was not close.

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    Cue the Mighty Oilskin Parker and Shifu Andy Lee.

    Parker would be the most accomplished pure boxer Usyk will have faced as a heavy with a coach that will have studied Usyk for every concievable weakness and developed a plan to exploit it.

    It will be a game of pugilistic chess between honourable fighters and gentlemen.

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    • #3
      You can't do what you can't do. Dublin wasn't going to defeat Usyk boxing and counter punching. I think Dubois would have had to channel his inner Chisora to give himself the best possible chance.

      Easier said than done but I think Daniel's best chance was to get physical and body Usyk up whenever possible. Physical strength being the only advantage Dubois possessed.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 4truth View Post
        You can't do what you can't do. Dublin wasn't going to defeat Usyk boxing and counter punching. I think Dubois would have had to channel his inner Chisora to give himself the best possible chance.

        Easier said than done but I think Daniel's best chance was to get physical and body Usyk up whenever possible. Physical strength being the only advantage Dubois possessed.
        I honestly don't even think he has that advantage. Usyk is a wrestler and extremely strong in the clinch. He was easily throwing Fury of him who is usually a bully in the clinch.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RingoKid View Post
          Cue the Mighty Oilskin Parker and Shifu Andy Lee.

          Parker would be the most accomplished pure boxer Usyk will have faced as a heavy with a coach that will have studied Usyk for every concievable weakness and developed a plan to exploit it.

          It will be a game of pugilistic chess between honourable fighters and gentlemen.

          I don't think Parker has the stamina to keep up with Usyk. Would be gassed after round 5 like he normally does against the higher output fighters.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RingoKid View Post
            Cue the Mighty Oilskin Parker and Shifu Andy Lee.

            Parker would be the most accomplished pure boxer Usyk will have faced as a heavy with a coach that will have studied Usyk for every concievable weakness and developed a plan to exploit it.

            It will be a game of pugilistic chess between honourable fighters and gentlemen.
            Not sure about this, Parker did get outboxed by AJ, he has limits and when against a fighter who is superior he will devolve into circling around the ring and throwing a light jab.

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            • #7
              Agreed but thanks to Chisora everyone from media to fighters to fans obsess over making it a dog fight which plays to his strengths and this really overdone notion he is weak to the body. Every fighter tries this and they've all had very limited success yet they keep doing it over and over. Its not working!

              You have to counter him and anticipate his movement. Look to catch him on his way in and exits.
              I'd have thought it would be more obvious tbh you only have to look at fighters with somewhat similar styles throughout history. Teofimo vs Lomachenko for one, Manny Pacquaio vs Marquez fights and so on

              It won't ever be easy he's a brilliant technician but they have no chance if fighting the wrong kind of fight.

              Its like sending out fighters to box with Floyd Mayweather or something, its insane.
              keith_head keith_head likes this.

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              • #8
                Dubois, Fury, AJ are not pressure fighters, none of them

                Dubois isn't a come forward destroyer like that

                Someone would have more success with a come forward pressure style vs Usyk if they were a come forward pressure fighter.

                Chisora is a come forward pressure fighter... With 4 rounds of gas.

                He came in moving his head, ducking low, cutting the ring off, that's why he gave Usyk problems..
                For 4 rounds

                Dubois got sparked so easily because he tried to use a style that isn't his style, his style also doesn't work against Usyk so he may as well have risked it.

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                • #9
                  2025 Parker is not the same Parker that fought AJ nor anyone else.

                  The Parker that fights Usyk will have all the patches and upgrades to compete as an equal.

                  The better man with the better plan will win on the night.

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                  • #10
                    There is no blue print how to beat the best boxer of this era.

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