Deontay Wilder needs to bring back Mark Breland

[Willow The Wisp]

People continue to say Malik Scott took a dive in their fight. I don’t know.

But he and Wilder have parted ways. Deontay still keeps Jay Deas around for some reason.

I generally just cruise on past any poster's musings about doping, ducking and fixed fights, because, well; this is a boxing message board, and not the honors class.

Malik Scott was a 36-1-1 (13) fringe contender, aged 33, when he challenged fellow upcommer and Olympic medalist Wilder in March, 2014.

He'd beaten a fairly respectable Lyle McDowell, the former IBO Intercontinental Heavyweight champion, tough 33-8-1 gatekeeper David Bostice, typical Wladimir Klitschko era title challenger Charles Shufford, who'd burst the Lamon Brewster bubble, 22-1-0 fellow 2012 prospect Bowie Tupou, big punching Raphael Butler, and drew with fellow fringe contender Vyacheslav Glazkov, who's knee injury, the only loss of his career, gave Charles Martin the IBF title, paving the way for Anthony Joshua to become a world champion of sorts.

Before Wilder got to him, his only loss was to erstwhile Brit Derrick Chisora for the vacant WBO international heavyweight title, while Del Boy was peaking.
But Wilder beat him ever so much more convincingly.


After Wilder laid him out, Scott would go on the beat two more standard Klitschko title challengers Alex Leapai and Tony Thompson before packing it in.

Boxing is not "sports entertainment" people, and a "dive" in a professional boxing match is a federal crime in the United States, where Wilder vs. Scott took place (Puerto Rico); and such actions will lead to criminal charges including fraud, theft, and conspiracy, and potentially will result in stiff prison sentences.


Come on guys.

[ShoulderRoll]

Honestly I don't think Mark was special, or is special as a trainer. He's adequate for a world level, not talking ****, just saying I do believe Wilder would be fine with a proper trainer like Mark who isn't Mark. If he ever did that.

Scott can claim he's a great trainer all he likes, he damn sure isn't. H'es just ****** Ben Davidson without the results.

House? Who TF is Don House? A boxing trainer whose best credentials are some MMA jamooks.


I don't understand why dude can't just get a trainer worth a ****. Bit like watching Ronda, Alistair, and Diego. Bro, TF, just get a normal ass trainer. Breland was a normal ass trainer.

What we know is that the best Wilder has looked in his career was when Breland was there . Could another normal trainer have helped him? Maybe, but he never got with one for a significant amount of time.

He sure likes to keep Jay Deas around though, for some reason.

[Tatabanya]

I know it may sound absurd, but if Wilder has still a slim chance to go on for a few more fights, he must forget his old "one-shot-and-it's-over" version, and focus on his boxing skills, because he does have some.

OK, Herndon was a tomato can. But when Deontay was boxing him, I liked it much more than when he was trying to take his head off. In the latter scenario, Wilder was off with his timing, slow and ineffective.

[PBR Streetgang]

People continue to say Malik Scott took a dive in their fight. I don’t know.

But he and Wilder have parted ways. Deontay still keeps Jay Deas around for some reason.

Deas always seemed like a "yes man" and cheerleader rather than an actual trainer. Never heard anything insightful from him in the corner or anywhere else for that matter.

[IceTrayDaGang]

no trainer can help wilder at this point... his confidence is shot to pieces. put him in with a B level fighter and he gets sparked! the guy he fought was like a D level fighter and even then, wilder was so cautious against him.

[Coverdale]

He needs to retire unless he needs the money. I thought the whole point of him doing ayahuasca was so he could find peace, he won't get there chasing more fame and money.

[SUBZER0ED]

I generally just cruise on past any poster's musings about doping, ducking and fixed fights, because, well; this is a boxing message board, and not the honors class.

Malik Scott was a 36-1-1 (13) fringe contender, aged 33, when he challenged fellow upcommer and Olympic medalist Wilder in March, 2014.

He'd beaten a fairly respectable Lyle McDowell, the former IBO Intercontinental Heavyweight champion, tough 33-8-1 gatekeeper David Bostice, typical Wladimir Klitschko era title challenger Charles Shufford, who'd burst the Lamon Brewster bubble, 22-1-0 fellow 2012 prospect Bowie Tupou, big punching Raphael Butler, and drew with fellow fringe contender Vyacheslav Glazkov, who's knee injury, the only loss of his career, gave Charles Martin the IBF title, paving the way for Anthony Joshua to become a world champion of sorts.

Before Wilder got to him, his only loss was to erstwhile Brit Derrick Chisora for the vacant WBO international heavyweight title, while Del Boy was peaking.
But Wilder beat him ever so much more convincingly.


After Wilder laid him out, Scott would go on the beat two more standard Klitschko title challengers Alex Leapai and Tony Thompson before packing it in.

Boxing is not "sports entertainment" people, and a "dive" in a professional boxing match is a federal crime in the United States, where Wilder vs. Scott took place (Puerto Rico); and such actions will lead to criminal charges including fraud, theft, and conspiracy, and potentially will result in stiff prison sentences.


Come on guys.

You must have forgot, bro, that "KO" punch didn't even land clean, and Malik and Deontay were buddies.

I can't embed the video, but you can re-watch it.

[SUBZER0ED]

At this point, Wilder needs Breland and a time machine, where half the battle was won from fear of his big right and the actual big right itself won the other half... before he faced Fury.

[The D3vil]

Yeah, that ship has sailed.

He, wrongly accused Breland of some foul shxt & Breland understandably told him to go to hell.

[ShoulderRoll]

Fair point, dude ought to go where he knows he can get his bread buttered because he done ****ed up the shopping period of his career by playing circlejerk with a man he crushed. Maybe I said it meaner, but yeah, you ain't wrong bud.


I take the Deas **** in earnest. He's southern. Plenty of Wilder I just, he's southern. We don't have much southern influence on the forum or even the internet. Started to but it quickly got replaced by conservativism. Which, yeah, I'm strawmaning here because we went through a cultural shift and I don't know the words to do a better jobs and express the point. Which is simply it's pretty hard to find anyone talking about Jesus without talking about politics anymore. Used to be the other way. Used to gross to bring politics into your Jesus. Just sayin' Wilder's pretty classically southern.

Anyway, when he says he's being loyal to the man who broke him I believe it. Could be dumb but I also don't care that much so i'll wear that

I picture Jay Deas as a Svengali type who likes to keep Wilder under his control and discourages having knowledgeable boxing people around. That way no one can challenge his authority. But maybe I’m reading too much into it and it’s just a weird Southern thing as you say.

When George Foreman was still alive he offered to work with Wilder. But Deontay came out with some crazy comment about how everyone was suddenly taking interest and wanted to take advantage of him now that he was down.

He’s a bit of a whack job.