Could Usyk have beaten Prime Nandrolone Fury from 10 years ago?

[QueensburyRules]

- - Blubber a Daddy's Boy ducks Usyk like he duck the Wlad rematch.

[QueensburyRules]

I observe that Wilder ruined many of the fighters he fought, and Fury was one of them.

- - Deyonce didn't fight real contenders. He title fights were TBA short notice fights not giving his opponent any time to train.

[Bipolar Hero]

Who cares. Fury wouldn`t have beaten Klitschko either if the fight had happened 2 years earlier.

Stop with excuses. Fury is younger than Usyk.

When are you fools going to learn that younger in age doesn’t necessarily mean younger in terms of boxing?

[JakeTheBoxer]

When are you fools going to learn that younger in age doesn’t necessarily mean younger in terms of boxing?

Fury is very young in terms of boxing.

Dude barely fought any top 10 guys in the last 10 years.

I understood you fools think thought Pianeta and Schwarz were elite opponents, but that was not true.

[TheProudLunatic]

Without using opionions. Lol.

Of course! And while I'm at it, I apologize for my flippant and insulting remark shot out before we had some dialog. I've been involved in boxing, on some level, since the early 1970's. I do not recall any time when fans didn't say "this Heavyweight division is the worst in history". Never.
I remember clearly, in 1975, fans committed to the idea. "Heavyweights suck. Ali is so overrated. No power, never goes to the body, Jones, Frazier and Norton, who all suck, beat Ali. Norton has no skills and a glass jaw. Frazier is too short and washed up. Forman has zero stamina and zero boxing skill, and the same goes for Lyle. Jimmy Young is lazy, Shavers has a glass jaw AND no stamina, Quarry is a washed up bleeder. Bugner has no urgency when he fights, and Bobick, Wepner, Neumann, Middletown, Holmes, Smith, Dennis, Boudreaux and Ward, will NEVER be world class".

That's the truth. It was a case of not knowing what you've got until its gone, and being critical because it's fun, I suppose.

I take people's questions seriously, so let me present this for you:

World Boxing Rankings - Today
HEAVYWEIGHT

World Champion -
Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-0-0 (14)

1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)*
2. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21)
3. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
4. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
5. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
6. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
7. Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
8. Moses Itauma, England 12-0-0 (10)
9. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24)
10. Fabio Wardley, England 18-0-1 (17)

Vs........

World Boxing Rankings - 21 Years Ago
HEAVYWEIGHT

World Champion -
Vacant since February 2004

1. Vitali Klitschko, Ukraine 34-2-0 (34)
2. Chris Byrd, USA 37-2-1 (20)
3. John Ruiz, USA 40-5-1 (28)
4. Hassim Rahman, USA 37-5-0 (31)
5. James Toney, USA 67-4-1 (43)
6. Monte Barrett, USA 30-3-0 (16)
7. Andrew Golota, Poland 38-4-1 (33)
8. Fres Oquendo, USA 24-3-0 (15)
9. Jameel McCline, USA 31-5-3 (19)
10. Corrie Sanders, S. Africa 40-3-0 (30)


Personally, in head to head matchups, I see today's roster as significantly superior, and not by a little.

Now that might be an opinion, but is one that is used by a great many in this industry.

Yeah, my "w/o opinion" remark
Talk about flippant.

As if we can ever truly know which HW era is the most decrepit.

Well, I'm going to respectfully disagree and stand by my....

Wait for it......

.......Opinion ()
on the matter.
John Ruiz would be considered an ATG if he were fighting in this era.

[TheProudLunatic]

Oleksandr Uysk has neither beaten a peak Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua 'But he has still beaten very good versions of those fighters, and those wins are still pound for pound the two best victories in boxing of the past 15 years. Tyson Fury was clearly in his best condition in many years against Oleksandr Uysk I & II, and Anthony Joshua was technically and fundamentally as a fighter at his best vs Uysk I & II, but maybe in other areas of his game he was nowhere near his peak i.e. Such as his aggression, and offensive capabilities'.

I have stated many times before, that Oleksandr Uysk entered the Heavyweight Division at a opportune time 'In combination Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder had already effectively cleared out the entire Heavyweight Division. And there could be a definitive debate that all three Heavyweight Mountains were not at their peak. Fury, Wilder and Joshua had all at that stage of their careers, fought and won their definitive battles. Fights, victories, loses and comebacks had all transpired that would define their resumes and historical significance as fighters. All three Heavyweight Mountains were future hall of fame fighters candidates, as they had without any doubt solidified themselves as the premier champions of their boxing era'.

Note: If Oleksandr Uysk had entered the Heavyweight Divisions just a few years earlier 'I think the concern and debate on whether he would have beaten a peak Tyson Fury, is just one of the challenges he would have to overcome. Uysk at that stage in boxing history, would have to fight his way through more heavyweight fighters. He would potentially be encountering a superior version of Derek Chisora, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder before eventually fighting Tyson Fury. The reason why I have mentioned Fury last out of those opponents is because? Fury has only ever taken big fights, when he has really has to. Hypothetically I would imagine, Fury would down play Usyk as a challenger and let other premier Heavyweight Champions make their title defenses vs Oleksandr Uysk. That is what actually happened in recent times, and I believe even at his peak Fury would behave the same way as a Champion'.

To conclude: I am not going to disrespect or devalue Oleksandr Uysk 'And automatically just suggest that Tyson Fury would have beaten him over decade ago. But I think it is commonsense that the fight between the two fights would be even closer. I think all three Heavyweight Mountains would be a formidable task for Oleksandr Uysk, stylistically? When I analyse Fury, Joshua and Wilder at their best. I actually think both Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder are more difficult fights to prepare for and win for Oleksandr Uysk, than the fight against Tyson Fury'.

Anthony Joshua has a combination of power and elite level skill, and Deontay Wilder is going to be very aware that the only way he beats Oleksandr Uysk is by a violent destruction. Both of those fights involve a extreme level of jeopardy for Uysk, many times more higher than a potential fight vs the version of Tyson Fury which I call The Riddler'.

Overall Oleksandr Uysk was fortunate to enter the Heavyweight Divisions when he did 'The path was completely clear for him to go straight towards fighting both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. His 4 wins vs both Fury and Joshua are the greatest pound for pound wins of the past 15 years. But I think most boxing analyst are very aware that neither Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua were at their absolute peak as fighters'.

Note: I did not vote on the poll etc.

TBF
I only glanced over your meticulous comment

Usyk is older by a lil and has a better resume than Fury and AJ.

Fury has Wilder 3x (giggles)
Usyk has Fury and AJ 4x

[Willow The Wisp]

Yeah, my "w/o opinion" remark
Talk about flippant.

As if we can ever truly know which HW era is the most decrepit.

Well, I'm going to respectfully disagree and stand by my....

Wait for it......

.......Opinion ()
on the matter.
John Ruiz would be considered an ATG if he were fighting in this era.

I'll let him know that.
I told George Chuvalo that very same thing awhile back. He said, "you're probably right".
George is in his twilight now, doesn't speak any longer, and I miss my friend.

[Da Pimper]

When are you fools going to learn that younger in age doesn’t necessarily mean younger in terms of boxing?

Yea, a lot of those morons will say “but Floyd is older than Pac” or “Lewis was older than Tyson” without understanding that different fighters age differently.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I have been vocal in the past that Fury was overrated and his success was due to his size and limited opposition. Maybe he could have gotten a robbery decision, but I suspect Usyk has his number, as he's had the number of everyone he's faced.

[NihonJim]

I have been vocal in the past that Fury was overrated and his success was due to his size and limited opposition. Maybe he could have gotten a robbery decision, but I suspect Usyk has his number, as he's had the number of everyone he's faced.

His success wasn't down to his size or every fighter over 6 foot 6 would be at the top of the division when that isn't the case at all.

In many cases being that big is a DISADVANTAGE as they become plodding with poor biomechanics.

Fury was exceptional due to his fluidity DESPITE his size, however terrible discipline outside the ring lead to an early decline

I find it amazing that fans give the likes of Tyson and Bowe a pass for being past prime VERY early but Fury being past prime after spending 2 years as a 400lb drug addict and being dropped by wilder 5x is just not possible lol