Comments Thread For: Matchroom target Deontay Wilder for Anthony Joshua

[PRINCEKOOL]

I would be very surprised if ether Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder fight Anthony Joshua now 'Not because those fights are difficult to make. But because anyone who knows boxing, is aware that both Fury and Wilder have always been weary of Joshua. The reason why originally both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder fought, was because stylistically they believed each other was stylistically the easier fight for them. Fury and Wilder fought each other to avoid fighting Anthony Joshua. People all need to be honest and acknowledge this'.

Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder I 'Was not a bigger fight than Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua. It was a tactically move by both the Fury and Wilder camps to firstly fight each other, to avoid fighting Joshua. Who at the time stylistically was appearing to be a more all round formidably fighter. Anthony Joshua was a Super Heavyweight fighter, arguable rated in the top-3 most powerful punchers in the divisions, and skill for skill as a technical boxer? Only really Tyson Fury could have been rated above him. That combination of attributes is still why all these years later? Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder are still very weary of Anthony Joshua'.

Note: I have always been adamant that stylistically Anthony Joshua is a extremely bad fight for Tyson Fury 'Out of both Fury and Wilder. Tyson Fury is the easier fight to prepare for and potentially win for Joshua. Yes you hear me right? Even currently right now, I would rate this version of Deontay Wilder a tougher and more formidable fight for Anthony Joshua than Tyson Fury. I don't think Fury really has the attributes to greatly challenged Joshua, whereas Deontay Wilder has serious power and aggression'.

Therefore? Although at the beginning of the post I did state that I would be surprised if either Fury or Wilder fight Joshua. If one of those fights has to happen, in the near future. I would expect Deontay Wilder to challenge Joshua before Tyson Fury. The reason why I say this is because? People need to give Wilder credit, for fighting both Joseph Parker and Zhilei Zhang while he was clearly working through a challenging time in his career. And even historically during Deontay Wilder's career, it was Wilder who chased and forced the second and third fights vs Tyson Fury. The main reason why there was a trilogy between Fury and Wilder, was because of Deontay Wilder's competitive ambition to beat Tyson Fury'.

Tyson Fury has never shown that type of competitiveness 'He has only taken fights when he really had to, and many times during his career he has deliberately avoided or sabotage fights. Tyson Fury never followed through with his scheduled rematch vs Wladimir Kiltschko, unfortunately due to his then circumstance. Fury never made the rematch with Franis Ngannou after being beaten in their first fight. Tyson Fury sabotaged two fights vs both Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua. Firstly against Joshua in late 2022, and then against Oleksandr Uysk in April 2023'.

There has never ever been a more easier time in the history of the sport 'To make Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury, as neither fighter are champions. According to Eddie Hearn, all it would take is one phone call to make the fight. But once again? In my opinion Tyson Fury has retired in part to avoid fighting Anthony Joshua. Immediately after the second Fury vs Uysk II fight, I stated that I would not be surprised if Tyson Fury retires as tactical move to get out of fighting Joshua'.

To conclude: Now in the case of Deontay Wilder 'The three Heavyweight Mountains of this era are, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. Currently right as we speak? Deontay Wilder is in the worst position in his career compared to all there fighters, it has been a very long since he has scored a big win on his resume. And he has lost his last two fights; he was beaten by Parker extremely easily and smashed up by Zhilei Zhang. Even though Wilder is in that position, I still believe he will be potentially more game to fight Anthony Joshua than Tyson Fury'.

There are better and more relevant fights for Anthony Joshua in the Heavyweight division 'In terms of? Measuring his form and building genuine momentum in his career. But the fight vs Deontay Wilder is still an intriguing matchup, and I would imagine great theatre. If Anthony Joshua can smash Deontay Wilder up inside the distance, then that would be a good exercise for him as competitor' etc.

[MarbleFallsMauler]

I would be very surprised if ether Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder fight Anthony Joshua now 'Not because those fights are difficult to make. But because anyone who knows boxing, is aware that both Fury and Wilder have always been weary of Joshua. The reason why originally both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder fought, was because stylistically they believed each other was stylistically the easier fight for them. Fury and Wilder fought each other to avoid fighting Anthony Joshua. People all need to be honest and acknowledge this'.

Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder I 'Was not a bigger fight than Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua. It was a tactically move by both the Fury and Wilder camps to firstly fight each other, to avoid fighting Joshua. Who at the time stylistically was appearing to be a more all round formidably fighter. Anthony Joshua was a Super Heavyweight fighter, arguable rated in the top-3 most powerful punchers in the divisions, and skill for skill as a technical boxer? Only really Tyson Fury could have been rated above him. That combination of attributes is still why all these years later? Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder are still very weary of Anthony Joshua'.

Note: I have always been adamant that stylistically Anthony Joshua is a extremely bad fight for Tyson Fury 'Out of both Fury and Wilder. Tyson Fury is the easier fight to prepare for and potentially win for Joshua. Yes you hear me right? Even currently right now, I would rate this version of Deontay Wilder a tougher and more formidable fight for Anthony Joshua than Tyson Fury. I don't think Fury really has the attributes to greatly challenged Joshua, whereas Deontay Wilder has serious power and aggression'.

Therefore? Although at the beginning of the post I did state that I would be surprised if either Fury or Wilder fight Joshua. If one of those fights has to happen, in the near future. I would expect Deontay Wilder to challenge Joshua before Tyson Fury. The reason why I say this is because? People need to give Wilder credit, for fighting both Joseph Parker and Zhilei Zhang while he was clearly working through a challenging time in his career. And even historically during Deontay Wilder's career, it was Wilder who chased and forced the second and third fights vs Tyson Fury. The main reason why there was a trilogy between Fury and Wilder, was because of Deontay Wilder's competitive ambition to beat Tyson Fury'.

Tyson Fury has never shown that type of competitiveness 'He has only taken fights when he really had to, and many times during his career he has deliberately avoided or sabotage fights. Tyson Fury never followed through with his scheduled rematch vs Wladimir Kiltschko, unfortunately due to his then circumstance. Fury never made the rematch with Franis Ngannou after being beaten in their first fight. Tyson Fury sabotaged two fights vs both Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua. Firstly against Joshua in late 2022, and then against Oleksandr Uysk in April 2023'.

There has never ever been a more easier time in the history of the sport 'To make Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury, as neither fighter are champions. According to Eddie Hearn, all it would take is one phone call to make the fight. But once again? In my opinion Tyson Fury has retired in part to avoid fighting Anthony Joshua. Immediately after the second Fury vs Uysk II fight, I stated that I would not be surprised if Tyson Fury retires as tactical move to get out of fighting Joshua'.

To conclude: Now in the case of Deontay Wilder 'The three Heavyweight Mountains of this era are, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. Currently right as we speak? Deontay Wilder is in the worst position in his career compared to all there fighters, it has been a very long since he has scored a big win on his resume. And he has lost his last two fights; he was beaten by Parker extremely easily and smashed up by Zhilei Zhang. Even though Wilder is in that position, I still believe he will be potentially more game to fight Anthony Joshua than Tyson Fury'.

There are better and more relevant fights for Anthony Joshua in the Heavyweight division 'In terms of? Measuring his form and building genuine momentum in his career. But the fight vs Deontay Wilder is still an intriguing matchup, and I would imagine great theatre. If Anthony Joshua can smash Deontay Wilder up inside the distance, then that would be a good exercise for him as competitor' etc.

Could you give us an Executive Summary please?
Thanks in advance.

[Willow The Wisp]

Basically buying an easy KO for Joshua to try to convince the world that he's still got it. Anyone who knows boxing knows that it's a farce.

British pride, envy; or simple nativity; all serve to cloud judgement. Fans of Joshua have had a real roller coaster ride, but nevertheless have a future hall of famer to root for.
But even so; if there was ever a case where one fighter's makeup was made to order for another; it is the case with the talented Joshua's reliable reaction to tasting power, and Wilder's lighting delivery of awesome knockout power colliding. People (fans) often cite Joshua's greater number of class A opponents and his more composed boxing style as reasons why they believe that Joshua ever had a chance in hell against Deontay Wilder; but they somehow seem to miss the point that those peices of the comparison would have no bearing on a Wilder vs. Joshua outcome.


The reality is that Joshua would outbox Wilder right up until he was hit with the kind of one punch force that Klitschko, Ruiz and Dubois cannot even come close to delivering, and the fight would be over.


Now today, we have to consider that Wilder is Four Years and 16 fights older than Joshua is, and that much further removed from prime ability. And that is the the ONLY glimmer of hope that the pride of Great Britain has, realistically, of leaving the ring they might share together under his own power.


I'd be interested in seeing how the Bomber looks against Tyrrell Anthony Herndon before drawing any conclusions regarding him. Herndon holds a record that is numerically similar to Joshua's and has to see this June 27 fight as the one greatest opportunity of his entire hard life. Knowing that Ali lost to Trevor Berbick at a similar stage, we cannot even say with great assurance that Wilder has enough left to win THAT one.
As for Josh and his readiness, he didn't appear as anything to worry about in his own last outing either.

[morph_resurrected]

Still an exciting fight. And about 6 yrs too late.

[Dakuwaqa]

Eddie Hearn is a garbage promoter. AJ chin is shot. Don’t put him in with a guy with dynamite in his fist

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

British pride, envy; or simple nativity; all serve to cloud judgement. Fans of Joshua have had a real roller coaster ride, but nevertheless have a future hall of famer to root for.
But even so; if there was ever a case where one fighter's makeup was made to order for another; it is the case with the talented Joshua's reliable reaction to tasting power, and Wilder's lighting delivery of awesome knockout power colliding. People (fans) often cite Joshua's greater number of class A opponents and his more composed boxing style as reasons why they believe that Joshua ever had a chance in hell against Deontay Wilder; but they somehow seem to miss the point that those peices of the comparison would have no bearing on a Wilder vs. Joshua outcome.


The reality is that Joshua would outbox Wilder right up until he was hit with the kind of one punch force that Klitschko, Ruiz and Dubois cannot even come close to delivering, and the fight would be over.


Now today, we have to consider that Wilder is Four Years and 16 fights older than Joshua is, and that much further removed from prime ability. And that is the the ONLY glimmer of hope that the pride of Great Britain has, realistically, of leaving the ring they might share together under his own power.


I'd be interested in seeing how the Bomber looks against Tyrrell Anthony Herndon before drawing any conclusions regarding him. Herndon holds a record that is numerically similar to Joshua's and has to see this June 27 fight as the one greatest opportunity of his entire hard life. Knowing that Ali lost to Trevor Berbick at a similar stage, we cannot even say with great assurance that Wilder has enough left to win THAT one.
As for Josh and his readiness, he didn't appear as anything to worry about in his own last outing either.

Wilder seems to have a serious problem with pulling the trigger these days. That's why I don't give him much if any chance versus Joshua. Then again , if Joshua fights scared it could be interesting.

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder seems to have a serious problem with pulling the trigger these days. That's why I don't give him much if any chance versus Joshua. Then again , if Joshua fights scared it could be interesting.

Joshua: "Please, oh, Please don't hit me!!!"

Wilder: "I'm not sure I was going to"

[MastaBlasta]

Wilder would have to sho major improvement in a fight with a decent challenger before this fight would make any sense. Otherwise it's trying to "make" a history fight to AJ's legacy that is way past any credibility. Wilder has been shot in his last few fights, and shouldn't be fighting. AJ is close but still much younger and still able to credibly fight. Way too late for this "fight". No discredit to either guy's legacy up to now, but It's nonsense at this point.

[Joseph]

Get it over with and the loser packs his bags for good. The winner will compete in seven consecutive sack races across seven consecutive Sundays against seven consecutive no-hopers and will be rewarded a spud of his choice for competing.

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder would have to sho major improvement in a fight with a decent challenger before this fight would make any sense. Otherwise it's trying to "make" a history fight to AJ's legacy that is way past any credibility. Wilder has been shot in his last few fights, and shouldn't be fighting. AJ is close but still much younger and still able to credibly fight. Way too late for this "fight". No discredit to either guy's legacy up to now, but It's nonsense at this point.

I agree 100%. The years sure as hell do fly by.
I am at the age where I'm seeing old friends dropping like flies. That **** happens. it's natural.

Both guys did very well for themselves working in this field that steals your health, your wealth and finally your soul. Of that, they can both be proud. Especially if they get out before they lose their health; and right NOW would be a good time.


I think that the most important Heavyweight mega fights that failed to materialize during the past decade were Fury vs Joshua, and Wilder vs Joshua; but you can't turn back the clock. 6 more months and this era is Over.

People always *****, but it was a very interesting 10 years for the big boys.