I really hope the Pacquiao-Barrios fight doesn’t happen.

[famicommander]

No I don’t know and objectively nobody does. It’s suspiscous behaviour, sure. But it’s not admission of guilt and it certainly is not proof of guilt, at all.

If Manny Pacquaio is a drug cheat, what drug?

Of course it's an admission of guilt. You're just giving him unreasonable benefit of the doubt because of his accomplishments. Nothing else needs to be said, you're just in denial.

[Smash]

Delusional nonsense. He turned down the biggest payday and biggest legacy fight of his life because he didn't want drug testing. There's only one reason for that and you know it. You can play dumb all you want.

ive forgotten a lot of that stuff but didnt pac agree to drug testing he just said he didnt like blood drawn close to a fight so wanted a cutoff date for blood taken, 10 days or something before fight with as much urine tests as they like and blood test right after the fight, floyd had agreed to it at one point but then changed his mind, so there was 2 of them at it i remember, then floyd went on his hols

remember the context of all of this too, this was i think the first boxing match that such demands were made of a fighter, it wasnt standard stuff at that point, the deal they had to fight was very reasonable i thought

[IronDanHamza]

Of course it's an admission of guilt. You're just giving him unreasonable benefit of the doubt because of his accomplishments. Nothing else needs to be said, you're just in denial.

No it really isn’t an admission of guilt at all.

You are unreasonably claiming he’s a drug cheat. When as far anyone knows, he objectively is not that.

If Manny Pacquaio is a drug cheat. Which drug?

[IronDanHamza]

ive forgotten a lot of that stuff but didnt pac agree to drug testing he just said he didnt like blood drawn close to a fight so wanted a cutoff date for blood taken, 10 days or something before fight with as much urine tests as they like and blood test right after the fight, floyd had agreed to it at one point but then changed his mind, so there was 2 of them at it i remember, then floyd went on his hols

remember the context of all of this too, this was i think the first boxing match that such demands were made of a fighter, it wasnt standard stuff at that point, the deal they had to fight was very reasonable i thought

He’s new to boxing so wouldn’t understand the context of it being brand new at the time (random drug testing protocol)

Pacquaio agreed to the testing but only with a cut off date. Which does totally defeat the entire point of doing random drug testing in the first place.

But it’s neither here nor there, its still neither an admission of guilt or a evidence of Pacquaio using PEDs.

It is a reason to be suspicous and nothing more.

[famicommander]

He’s new to boxing so wouldn’t understand the context of it being brand new at the time (random drug testing protocol)

Pacquaio agreed to the testing but only with a cut off date. Which does totally defeat the entire point of doing random drug testing in the first place.

But it’s neither here nor there, its still neither an admission of guilt or a evidence of Pacquaio using PEDs.

It is a reason to be suspicous and nothing more.

I'm not new to boxing, I was following the story as it happened, and it's absolutely an admission of guilt. And, once again, you absolutely know it. You just don't want to admit it.

This isn't a court of law. They're not going to punish Pacquiao if you admit what you know is the truth. He ducked the biggest possible fight over drug testing, and the reason for that is because he knew he'd fail. It's okay to admit it. Everyone knows.

[Smash]

Pacquaio agreed to the testing but only with a cut off date. Which does totally defeat the entire point of doing random drug testing in the first place.
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i wouldnt quite say totally defeat the point of it, it would give pac a window of 10 days to take 'something' that wouldnt show up in urine and would be out of his blood for the post fight blood test as well, this substance also would not be able to be taken throughout the entire run up to the fight as full tests were on, im not an expert in the area but that sounds quite limiting to me anyway

[HisExcellency]

50yo Pac SMASHES him...Barrios is nothing special and effectively a paper champion who's lost every time he's stepped up in competition.

Why else do you think Pac's chasing him specifically as opposed to Boots & Norman who also hold belts lol.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not new to boxing, I was following the story as it happened, and it's absolutely an admission of guilt. And, once again, you absolutely know it. You just don't want to admit it.

This isn't a court of law. They're not going to punish Pacquiao if you admit what you know is the truth. He ducked the biggest possible fight over drug testing, and the reason for that is because he knew he'd fail. It's okay to admit it. Everyone knows.

Yes you are. You can’t honestly think that that isn’t abundantly clear?

You’ve just asserted what the reason was, you don’t know what the reason was and there could be a plethora of them. It’s not an admission of guilt. I’m not even sure you know what that is.

If Pacquauo is a drug cheat like you are claiming he is, what drug is it?

[IronDanHamza]

i wouldnt quite say totally defeat the point of it, it would give pac a window of 10 days to take 'something' that wouldnt show up in urine and would be out of his blood for the post fight blood test as well, this substance also would not be able to be taken throughout the entire run up to the fight as full tests were on, im not an expert in the area but that sounds quite limiting to me anyway

It quite literally defeats the entire point of doing the testing procedure. If there’s a cut off date, there is no point doing the procedure at all because you can time your cycle around the specified cut off date.

It’s as good as useless with a cut off date.

[Smash]

It quite literally defeats the entire point of doing the testing procedure. If there’s a cut off date, there is no point doing the procedure at all because you can time your cycle around the specified cut off date.

It’s as good as useless with a cut off date.

im a bit confused

time his cycle? would the cycle not have to be ongoing in the months running up to the fight where full testing is in operation? if he was taking something he would surely be caught