Inoue NOT Afraid To Get Hit Like American Fighters That Run. Haney Should Take A Page Of Inoue.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Not everyone is a power puncher
You fight to your "strengths"

Crowd pleasers don't usually last long unless their comp is lower level or not known for having power themselves.

You are correct, not everyone is a power puncher and you make do with what you have, but I have to mention a few crowd pleasers who did last long. Ali, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Chavez, Morales, Trinidad, ODLH, Manny, Marquez are just a few and they all lost and were dropped. These guys understood that boxing is a physical sport and you win by throwing punches.

I remember when Morales beat Manny, he was asked, "how were you able to beat Manny?" His reply was "by throwing punches" and that made so much sense and he was right. You please the crowd by throwing punches. Last Sunday's fight is a prime example, Inoue was dropped, but he got the win by hurling combinations... Now compare that fight to Friday and Saturday's fights. There was nothing pleasing about Haney vs Ramirez or Ginger vs Scull.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

What names do you favor him at 154?

Nothing to complain about his skill or style at all, it's his competition. That simple

I favor him over Tszyu, Fundora, Madrimov. I used to favor him over Virgil, not sure now but it wouldn't surprise me to see Boots beat Virgil in a close, grueling battle. I give a slight edge to Murta and Bohachuk..

[TheProudLunatic]

Getting hit is part of the job, so I don't think anyone worth a damn is afraid..
But, why get hit if you can avoid it ?

Getting hit only helps the other guy win a fight.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I think Haney is definitely scared to take a punch.

That in no way means Inoue wanted to take that shot in the 2nd round. He got countered and caught.

That he got up and went in to win imo shows how good he is.

nobody said he voluntarily asked to get punched... the point is that he's not afraid to get hit... he knows exchanging like that could get him caught BUT he's willing to take that risk to delivery his own shot... Kinda like Marquez.. this is why lots of folks respect his way of fighting.

[The D3vil]

he didnt mention boots! but he said american fighters such as haney, shakur, etc. get treated that way because it's the culture.

american fighters also put this upon themselves, making strong claims that they are the best or that their opponents cannot beat them, etc..

so when the knockdown happens, people will clown them for it because of what was said prior to the fight.

he mention that japanese culture is not like this and that they respect each other, etc.

I specifically brought up Boots because he gets criticized for getting hit.

[The D3vil]

Boots made a solid start to changing the way that people talk about him by finally increasing his level of competition. People give Inoue a pass because he's fought the best available competition his entire career. Look at how many champions and ranked fighters each has fought as a percentage of their career, and you might start to understand why Boots has gotten flak. Would he still be undefeated if he'd challenged himself the same way Inoue did? Who knows, because he didn't do it. His team has a long history of avoiding tough fights and then complaining about being ducked himself.

Or, you could look at the win-loss ratio of their opponents. Inoue's opponents have over a 90% win rate, and all but a handful were ranked. Boots' have something like 62%, and he's ONLY fought a handful of ranked opponents. One is getting clipped finally in his fifth weight class at the world title level with something like 26 title fights. The other is getting clipped by C level opponents in his first division.

The Stanionis fight went a long way to helping Ennis prove his case, and I hope he gets the other two champs at 147, but he's nowhere even worth talking about in comparison to Inoue, frankly, now, or maybe even ever if he keeps letting his dad turn down fights.

What do you mean "challenge himself"

Boots unlike Inoue can't fight whoever he wants.

He couldn't make Crawford, Spence, Ortiz, & all those dudes fight him without bending over a barrel.

Inoue, like Tank or Canelo can fight who they want because they're cash cows.

It's completely unfair to compare guys like Boots & Crawford's resumes to guys who guys jump at fighting

And if Boots got knocked down by a Lyft driver, you'd better believe, he wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.

[IceTrayDaGang]

What do you mean "challenge himself"

Boots unlike Inoue can't fight whoever he wants.

He couldn't make Crawford, Spence, Ortiz, & all those dudes fight him without bending over a barrel.

Inoue, like Tank or Canelo can fight who they want because they're cash cows.

It's completely unfair to compare guys like Boots & Crawford's resumes to guys who guys jump at fighting

And if Boots got knocked down by a Lyft driver, you'd better believe, he wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.

maybe boots should become a lyft driver part time to make some money while being dominate in his division and maybe he gets a big fight like cardenas did?

[crimsonfalcon07]

What do you mean "challenge himself"

Boots unlike Inoue can't fight whoever he wants.

He couldn't make Crawford, Spence, Ortiz, & all those dudes fight him without bending over a barrel.

Inoue, like Tank or Canelo can fight who they want because they're cash cows.

It's completely unfair to compare guys like Boots & Crawford's resumes to guys who guys jump at fighting

And if Boots got knocked down by a Lyft driver, you'd better believe, he wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.

Fighters in the lower weights have always had to take what fights they can, and Inoue being a cash cow is a relatively new thing. He made only 500K vs Donaire 1 in a title unification in the World Super Series final, for instance. Boots made 3.3 million vs Avanesyan. So the notion that Inoue is a cash cow while Boots isn't is patently false. Boots fights in a far more lucrative division.

Second, Inoue has said yes to every opportunity he's gotten. Boots' dad has said things like "He's not ready for Spence and Crawford, turned down a fight contract with Crawford "out of loyalty" to a company that's not even in the boxing business any more, went the IBF route to avoid Crawford, waited to petition for his shot until the fight was contractually impossible, turned down Ortiz Jr, refused to put up another 500K to fight Norman and told Norman Sr that they actually didn't want to fight and wanted to wait until undisputed, etc. This false narrative about him being avoided is nonsense. He's so feared that Karen wanted to fight him again. A guy who's actually being ducked doesn't have a guy get right back into contention to earn the rematch. That happens because the guy thinks he can win. He's got guys from lower weight classes who want to fight him. He's on record doing the avoiding, not being ducked.

[The D3vil]

Fighters in the lower weights have always had to take what fights they can, and Inoue being a cash cow is a relatively new thing. He made only 500K vs Donaire 1 in a title unification in the World Super Series final, for instance. Boots made 3.3 million vs Avanesyan. So the notion that Inoue is a cash cow while Boots isn't is patently false. Boots fights in a far more lucrative division.

Second, Inoue has said yes to every opportunity he's gotten. Boots' dad has said things like "He's not ready for Spence and Crawford, turned down a fight contract with Crawford "out of loyalty" to a company that's not even in the boxing business any more, went the IBF route to avoid Crawford, waited to petition for his shot until the fight was contractually impossible, turned down Ortiz Jr, refused to put up another 500K to fight Norman and told Norman Sr that they actually didn't want to fight and wanted to wait until undisputed, etc. This false narrative about him being avoided is nonsense. He's so feared that Karen wanted to fight him again. A guy who's actually being ducked doesn't have a guy get right back into contention to earn the rematch. That happens because the guy thinks he can win. He's got guys from lower weight classes who want to fight him. He's on record doing the avoiding, not being ducked.

"Cash Cow" is a relative term.

Inoue is a lot more lucrative in his weight classes than Boots is.

Welterweights have been making tens of millions of dollars for decades, now.

Boots is not a bigger cash cow than Spence, Crawford, Pacquaio, or Mayweather, who've fought in his weight class in the past decade.

Inoue, however is the biggest pay day any of those fighters under 126lbs will ever have, so in his weight range he has MORE power.

:You say Inoue "took every opportunity he's gotten", well, what top 10 P4P fighters has he had the opportunity to fight???

Who's the best fighter he's fought? An ancient (but still good) Nonito???

"Cool Boy Steph", who's talented, but most people thought he lost to Figueroa

Boots' neighborhood of 147-154 is wayyyy more dangerous than Inoue's

There's way more at stake for him.

There's nobody anywhere near him that's making P4P lists or is a draw.

It's a lot easier for him to dictate who he fights & when he fights them.

[sargo]

Another great fight although ending with controversy was the Navarrete-Suarez fight. Both men giving their all. No running. No excessive holding.