Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez once again undisputed after defeating mobile William Scull

[Wacked_Out]

This has all been discussed in detail above/on the previous pages



Literally no-one thinks that, including tonight's judges.

"The engager" won, in a (& here's the rub) better-than-the-runner but still objectively poor performance.

"This has all been discussed in detail above/on the previous pages"

And discussed again by me today above/on.


Literally no-one thinks that, including tonight's judges.

Literally lots of comments criticizing fighters for not being able to cut off the ring against these types.


"The engager" won, in a (& here's the rub) better-than-the-runner but still objectively poor performance.

Yes.

[Malvado]

I assume you’re talking about Chavez Sr and not Jr. Julio actually had a very similar fight against a contender called Lonnie Smith during his reign at 140. Like Scull, Smith opted to fight very negatively and with lots of movement, and just like Canelo, a similarly aged Chavez struggled to land anything all that significant against a similar type of fighter.
I thought Canelo did a very nice job of varying his jab in the early rounds against Berlanga but then he seemed to step off the gas and was content to just land his left hook for the most part. But his legs aren’t all there anymore. Years of roadwork and gruelling training have wrecked his knees imo.

Not sure that's similiar of a performance, Smith made a declaration that he would knockout Chavez and instead wasn't willing to engage like Scull was.

However Julio was active, had caught and wobbled Lonnie quite often despite not managing to get the finish after 3-5 rounds, to the extent that it frustrated Smith who was too worn down at the end of the fight and tried to knee Chavez in the groin during a clinch.

To be fair, Chavez wasn't close as declined as Canelo is right now, his gas tank didn't fade in championship rounds and his reflexes haven't faded enough to say he completely relied on his static high guard. The upcoming fights with Camacho and Haugen show that he could still fight at the top level. Duplessis (36-1, 5th WBC ranked) also had similiar style two fights prior fighting Smith.

[Corelone]

All I know is this is a tin can age of boxing. They run like rabbits and hunt like Elmer Fudd.

[Elpatron2]

What a disgraced the lBF ,is, them should put some money on these mandos

[HandsofIron]

What was that last night? Was that a fight? Looked like Canelo chasing after Usain Bolt out there.

[A.B Counterhooks]

As its known by now Canelo is losing a step or two which is normal for a fighter with that many fights under the belt I must say but its also known it takes 2 to tango and Scull went it there to survive and collect a big paycheck, that man never intended to get his hand raised not boxing the way he did winning was never part of the plan for the cubano. Easily one of the dullest and grayish fights Id ever watched.

I hope Bud brings something different to the table, boy supposed to be special fighter so thats exactly what I am expecting to see from TC.

[Oracle01]

That’s not what cutting the ring off means. You’re confusing it with setting up offence off of closing the gap between yourself and your opponent. Cutting off the ring is an offensive tool, but it is not the same as offence. Cutting off the ring is a footwork technique in much the same way the L-step or pendulum step is. You can set up offence off of any of these techniques, but they are not inherently offensive. If someone bounces on their toes like Bivol does, they are pendulum stepping, even if they don’t throw jabs and crosses while they bounce. If a fighter is moving forward and mirroring the lateral movement of their opponent to pressure them and force them onto the ropes, then they are cutting off the ring. You are mad at Canelo for not establishing consistent offence off of cutting off the ring, not for his inability to cut off the ring, since he was cutting off the ring for the whole fight.

But Canelo was not forcing Scull on the ropes, he was allowing Scull to constantly move laterally around the ring, off the ropes. Why do you think Canelo could only land 50 punches if its not connected to cutting off the ring? It's almost as if he could not catch his opponent long enough to land punches because he can't cut off the ring effectively. He was partially doing it only.

When Santos, Teo and Benavidez struggled to catch their opponents and chased them around, all I heard was they could not cut off the ring, but when Canelo does it for 12 rounds apparently he did cut off the ring. You can't make this crap up.

[Oldskoolg]

It gives a really bad impression for casuals and people not really into boxing to see these big name fighters in supposedly important fights fighting in empty arenas. It makes it look like boxing is dying. I'm surprised that Turki hasn't figured that out and made attendance compulsory for enough people to fill the arenas. It's not like anyone is going to stop him from doing that.

Turki sees boxing as his own personal entertainment. He isn’t about what the fans want nor does he want unbiased journalism

[Left Hook Louie]

Turki sees boxing as his own personal entertainment. He isn’t about what the fans want nor does he want unbiased journalism

Not really.
Turki is working for Mohamed Bin Sultan who calls all the shots in the country. It's a giant PR campaign for the kingdom, not a personal hobby for Turki.
Read this:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/629...-saudi-arabia/

[SkinG209]

Is anyone REALLY suprised at this??
Canelo has made an entire career based off of bogus fights that created the mirage that he’s this monster.
The truth is he was long exposed when he fought Mayweather and Lara.
After that the pattern was established as to how he would proceed in terms of opposition.
it took him a Period to age out Golovkin and then going forward the bulk of his resume has been abysmal with a laundry list of no hopers, mediocre opponents, old men and little guys moving up in weight.
Scully is the prototype of what is required to be in This cowards sweepstakes.
Bivol was a mistake. Team Canelo thought Bivol would follow the script because he didn’t look spectacular in his last three bouts, just looking to score points and get a decision. But they underestimated just how skilled and high iq he is and Canelo got slapped around for 9 rounds and checked out of the fight mentally as early as the mid way point. He definitely made it written in stone that Benavides would not be invited to the sweepstakes no matter how bad his ducking looked.
And yeah his sorry fanbase look even worse trying to keep boosting this fraud up and gaslighting with their laughable narratives.
So tonight why should this farce be any different??
So now we head to September for a bout with another small opponent up in age looking to upset the apple cart in Bud Crawford.
But this time it may turn out to be a mistake like Bivol was. I sincerely hope so if for anything to see this manufactured fraud get exposed again and to see how creative the gaslighters will be with the excuses and other entertaining narratives.

Just curious, who is your favorite fighter?