Comments Thread For: As Daniel Dubois closes in on rematch with Oleksandr Usyk what does that mean for Joseph Parker and the rest of the contenders?

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Joshua stops fighting at times. I mean he doesn't throw in a towel but you see a mental process of quit take over. Is it weakness? Yeah I would say one could call it that. Guys like Wilder thrive on that reaction. Boxing is an interesting sport, levels to the game right? Take a man with "one weapon" as you call it who can be avoided in the ring. Someone like David Tua who did not have much reach, his footwork was slow. So Lewis used his jab to just avoid any inkling of a left hook.

BUT, other times? that "One weapon" when employed in the right circumstances can wipe out an otherwise talented fighter with many weapons. Joshua has always had talent, much like Frank Bruno. Both men had a certain vulnerability though. Witherspoon was out techniqued by Bruno but when he caught Bruno? that was it. Joshua is the same way. There is just something missing, something that creates the mental toughness to deal with fighters like Wilder.

Mental fortitude? No... Never accused any fighter of lacking conviction, I am strictly referring to a quality of toughness that makes some guys extra special. For example, watch when Jimmy Young gets lit up by George Foreman. He comes back harder, he wants to show George he will not wilt, or, our boy Andy Ruiz. When he was initially dropped by joshua the first fight... His attitude was to get up and be even more determined. Joshua does not do that. Frank Bruno was not able to do that. At least from where I am sitting that is how it looks.

I think I see your point now. Though Joshua did show grit and determination after Wlad dropped him, he hasn't really shown it during other times of adversity. He did begin to attack Dubois right before he got KO'd and even hurt him, but by then, it was more out of desperation and AJ was already hurt himself from being dropped twice. The Bruno fight that absolutely disgusted me was VS Tyson 2. I mean, Frank was all pumped up and projecting that he'd KO Mike, then he proceeded to retreat to the ropes and cover up as Tyson attacked and ultimately destroyed him.

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Post Usyk loss...

Joshua began by throwing two of Usyk's belts out of the ring saying...

"I don't care about strong, I have to have skills. Being strong doesn't win boxing, skills win boxing. You're not strong, how did you beat me? How? Because of skill.
I had character and determination."

...and he later broke down in tears at the post-fight press conference.

Sounds like mentally weak and lacking in fortitude to me.

It sounds like emotions to me. Tell me you've never gotten emotional over anything. Did you consider yourself weak for getting emotional? Lol @ calling someone who fights for a living mentally weak.

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I think I see your point now. Though Joshua did show grit and determination after Wlad dropped him, he hasn't really shown it during other times of adversity. He did begin to attack Dubois right before he got KO'd and even hurt him, but by then, it was more out of desperation and AJ was already hurt himself from being dropped twice. The Bruno fight that absolutely disgusted me was VS Tyson 2. I mean, Frank was all pumped up and projecting that he'd KO Mike, then he proceeded to retreat to the ropes and cover up as Tyson attacked and ultimately destroyed him.

It's true about Joshua getting up against Vlad. I mean nothing is absolute lol. I do think he has talent. I also think he's done a good job though I really see shades of Bruno lol. For whatever reason some guys just have a point. I hate to sound like a goomba lol but the way we grew up in this country. Kind of we shared understanding of certain areas, you kind of get really comfortable with violence. I think it has its effects down the line for fighters.

We don't consider our backgrounds brutal when we talk about having to fight everyday to get home from school, smacking each other with click clacks and blackjacks lol, but in some of these other nations they don't deal with those things and sometimes it might affect the ability of a fighter to really respond to a certain level of conflict. I don't know if I buy that but I'm considering it.

[billeau2]

Lies! Of a fanboy. If you knew your facts that was in 2019 & Aj wasn't in the dazn contract but let's agree Wilder turned that 100 mill dazn offer down & the dazn boss even said we got the offer wrong. Facts.

A YEAR BEFORE In 2018 with the world wanting undesputed Aj had all the money & power. Edward famously sent Wilder 3 low balls & Wilder accepted the 14 mill offer to call they're bluff, then Wilder offered Aj a proven 50 mill flat fee but they scurried off to continue they're shot old man tour with 39 yr old pov.

At the same time Aj in a sky tv interview with Johnny Nelson said "i won't be rushed into the Wilder fight" when asked when he said "19 20 21" Hearn then in a separate interview said" 2020 & maybe he'll (wilder) loose by then".

I suppose your going to tell me Aj didn't send back the Fury contract demanding commercial control & Aside status.... Again proven & why we got Fury Chisora.

Mic drop.

Duggum is the ultimate Joshuastan. He thinks the gospel in addition to being in the Bible also is what the alphabet ranking organization to say it is in boxing. He reminds me of people who don't understand gas and think a premium brand is different because it's labeled differently even though they come from the same plant.

His perverted views have no bounds! He is convinced that despite some common opponents, and fighting from the exact same pool of below average talent in this present division that Joshua somehow has fought markedly better competition compared to Wilder.

[RingoKid]

It sounds like emotions to me. Tell me you've never gotten emotional over anything. Did you consider yourself weak for getting emotional? Lol @ calling someone who fights for a living mentally weak.

I'm gonna Oliver McCall you out on that!

In The Book of Ringo, emotionally unstable is mentally weak. Sometimes i just need to 'care about being stronger,' dig deeper, and summon the strength to continue.

I dont think Joshua does that and the jury is still out on Dubois.

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I'm gonna Oliver McCall you out on that!

In The Book of Ringo, emotionally unstable is mentally weak. Sometimes i just need to 'care about being stronger,' dig deeper, and summon the strength to continue.

I dont think Joshua does that and the jury is still out on Dubois.

I don't know Joshua well enough to assess his emotional stability as a whole, and I doubt that you do either. We've seen him break down after losing two of the biggest fights of his career to a former CW. That's gotta sting!

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It's true about Joshua getting up against Vlad. I mean nothing is absolute lol. I do think he has talent. I also think he's done a good job though I really see shades of Bruno lol. For whatever reason some guys just have a point. I hate to sound like a goomba lol but the way we grew up in this country. Kind of we shared understanding of certain areas, you kind of get really comfortable with violence. I think it has its effects down the line for fighters.

We don't consider our backgrounds brutal when we talk about having to fight everyday to get home from school, smacking each other with click clacks and blackjacks lol, but in some of these other nations they don't deal with those things and sometimes it might affect the ability of a fighter to really respond to a certain level of conflict. I don't know if I buy that but I'm considering it.

While my first nearly 10 years was in Bmore careful, the next 7 was spent in the county with the Yidish folks. My mother beat any would-be hoodlum out of me, lol. I thought Joshua was somewhat of a thug in his youth?

https://talksport.com/boxing/738189/...0crazy%20stuff.

[RingoKid]

I don't know Joshua well enough to assess his emotional stability as a whole, and I doubt that you do either. We've seen him break down after losing two of the biggest fights of his career to a former CW. That's gotta sting!

Heaps of boxers lose big fights. They don't chuck belts out, go on about 'strength' and fail to understand why they lost.

Look at Parker after getting jobbed by Joshua, then Whyte and splattered by Joyce. He ****** it up and got on with learning from his losses and made himself better.

Their contrasting actions speak louder than their words. Im not saying Joshua is an emotional cripple but he does need propped up and Fast Eddie is always there with the crutch.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I think I see your point now. Though Joshua did show grit and determination after Wlad dropped him, he hasn't really shown it during other times of adversity. He did begin to attack Dubois right before he got KO'd and even hurt him, but by then, it was more out of desperation and AJ was already hurt himself from being dropped twice. The Bruno fight that absolutely disgusted me was VS Tyson 2. I mean, Frank was all pumped up and projecting that he'd KO Mike, then he proceeded to retreat to the ropes and cover up as Tyson attacked and ultimately destroyed him.

There are details in the action of fights 'Don't just latch onto cliche narratives of certain fighter or historical boxing matches, and expect people who have observed and analysed boxing for many years. To ether agree with you, or not confront you'.

Anthony Joshua is a more determined fighter, than both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder 'And I can prove this through the feats achieved by the fighters, their conduct and behaviour as fighters'.

I have always suspected 'That once Tyson Fury is beaten, he will get out of the game. And once a fighter beats Deontay WIlder, and withstands his power? His aura of intimidation will completely disintegrate. The year now is 2025, and Tyson Fury has retired after being beaten twice back to back by Oleksandr Uysk I & II. And Deontay Wilder is playing around at domestic level, for his comeback fight. That is not the behaviour or conduct of a determined fighter'.

But in comparison Anthony Joshua in his last fight 'Suffered his worst ever loss. But regardless, he is still aiming to become a 3 times world heavyweight Champion. Those are his ambitions as a fighter, his goals have always been clear. And for me personally, I think Anthony Joshua's conduct is displaying determination to a higher level than both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder'.

Every single time Andy Ruiz Junior I dropped Anthony Joshua 'He got back up. And contrary to certain narratives, Joshua fought his way back into that fight before being stopped on his feet in the corner with a smile on his face. Andy Ruiz Junior vs Anthony Joshua I, was not a one sided beat down victory for Ruiz Junior. Joshua was dominating the first few rounds, and was the first to deck Ruiz Junior, then of course? Ruiz Junior decked Joshua and from that point it was a battle. At no point in Anthony Joshua's career, in any of his fights has he ever just disappeared without giving his opponents resistance'.

Even on Anthony Joshua worst night ever as a professional fighter 'The statistics his fight vs Daniel Dubois, show that he was fighting his way back into that fight. All the signs were there in that fight, in round 5 Anthony Joshua went from landing on average 40% of his punches, to over 80% of his punches during round 5. Even after being decked in round 1, the facts of that fight are? Anthony Joshua from the very moment he rose up off the canvas was slowly but surely, minute by minute fighting his way back into the fight. Before he amplified Dubois's punching power, by firstly making a technical mistake i.e. throwing an uppercut while wading forward with his guard completely down. This unforced error, amplified the power of Daniel Dubois which eventually lead to him then being knocked out'.

Note: One of the most challenging feats any boxer, can overcome inside a boxing ring in my opinion 'Is to immediately avenge a traumatic loss. Anthony Joshua has achieved this feat vs Andy Ruiz Junior II. The timing of that rematch most likely was not optimal for Joshua, but he knew? He had to immediately avenge the loss, which he did winning almost all the rounds easy. Anthony Joshua did not leave second gear in his rematch vs Andy Ruiz Junior II'.

To conclude: So the cliche narrative, that Anthony Joshua is some sort of push over fighter 'That disappears both inside and outside of the ring, is complete nonsense. And any honest person who stops to critical analyse the heavyweight game, will understand what I am saying? Is completely right'.

And on the topic of Frank Bruno 'He was only ever beaten by World Champions. And no fighter ever had a easy time against him, Frank Bruno was wining all his fights vs Tm Witherspoon, James Bone Crusher Smith, and Lennox Lewis before the stoppages. The only rather straight forward loss on his resume, was vs Mike Tyson in their rematch.'.

But if you have actually watched Mike Tyson vs Frank Bruno II? You would have seen that Bruno threw everything at Tyson in that first round. Which was not the best tactical move, but he definitively did not lose that fight due to lack of effort. Frank Bruno was injured coming into that fight, and knew it would be his last fight. Mike Tyson was just on another level offensively, and got a solid win'.

Here is one for all you guys? 'Frank Bruno has a better resume than Deontay Wilder, and has achieved greater individual wins. Beating Oliver McCall is a greater win than anything on Deontay Wilder's resume. That is no disrespect to Deontay Wilder as he has been one of the great Champions of his era, but that is a objective fact of Heavyweight Boxing History' etc.

[Boomer]

That was no low blow, it was right on the belt line. Give me a break!!!