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Why did people find Wilder more intimidating than AJ ?

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  • #21
    It was mainly due to character, personality, and promotion 'Deontay Wilder innately has a very aggressive and unrelenting character. Whereas Anthony Joshua projects a lot of compassion, and empathy towards people and even his nearest competition. It was always going to be very difficult to market Joshua as some sort of monster destroyer fighter, and much easier to build him up as a hero to all people'.

    Deontay Wilder's universal perception at his peak, was of a aggressive, violent, tremendously competitive, fighter who? Will not be denied of a victory, as long as he is still standing and trying to win. And to Wilder's credit, that is exactly how I perceived him as a fighter even without any sort of promotion or narratives influencing me. Those are my own perceptions of Deontay Wilder, from his demeanour, conduct as a Champion both inside and outside of the ring'.

    Anthony Joshua in comparison, skill for skill 'Is most likely at his peak, or during any point of his career. A more complete fighter, and formidable offensive fighter than Deontay Wilder. Joshua also inside the ring, has displayed higher levels of durability as shown in his fight vs Wladimir Kiltschko. Anthony Joshua had to get up off the deck, and overhaul and supremely motivated and conditioned Wladimir Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years.

    Wladimir Kiltschko statistically is a more proven power puncher than Deontay Wilder at top level, when Joshua rose up from the canvas on April 19th 2017 after being decked. He was achieving a very impressive feat of durability and resolve. The two greatest feats of durability and resolve of this Heavyweight boxing era, are Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder I, and Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Kiltschko.

    Note: I have always rated the power punch which Wladimir Kiltschko landed on Joshua, as a more devastating power punch than the power punch which Deontay Wilder landed on Tyson Fury during round 12 of their first fight. Deontay Wilder was fatigued and the punch he had thrown seemed like a instinctive reactional punch, I don't think it was the highest amount of effort Wilder exerted into his punches during the entire fight 'In comparison the power punch which Wladimir Kiltschko landed on Anthony Joshua during round 6, was a supremely measured and technically efficient punch. That power punch when first launched resembled a Tomahawk Missile. Anthony Joshua not only had to endure the power of that power punch, he then had to endure the bombardment of attacks which then followed once he had got up off the deck. There is a narrative that Anthony Joshua is fragile and has low levels of durability, but in reality? There has never been much different between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua in those areas of boxing'.

    I would definitively rate Anthony Joshua has a structurally and physiologically tougher fighter than Deontay Wilder 'At his peak, and even right now as we speak. I don't think Joshua's last fight is a negative when it comes to rating of his durability, Joshua amplified Dubois's power by wading into the knockout punch'. Up until that point? Anthony Joshua appeared to be increasing his invulnerability to Daniel Dubois's attacks'.

    Anthony Joshua has been promoted as British Boxing's Superman. That is why in comparison to Wilder, Joshua most likely has a more varied and loyal fan base. Eddie Hearn and Match Room have tried to market Joshua has a battleship, most evidently during the build up to his rematch with Oleksandr Uysk II. But Anthony Joshua in my opinion has never wanted to portray himself as that type of fighter'.

    And there are certain folk in society, who only perceive or analyse what is on the surface 'They may look at somebody like Anthony Joshua and think he is a easier target. To insult and mock'.

    Look at the state of Deontay Wilder's career of late 'His performances have all been terrible since his losing efforts vs Tyson Fury III. But still Wilder receives nowhere near the intensity of criticism as Anthony Joshua'.

    It was Anthony Joshua who defended the entire sport 'Against its greatest existential threat of the century in Francis Ngannou. Not Oleksandr Uysk, Deontay Wilder or even Tyson Fury. What Fury started with Ngannou, it was not Tyson Fury who brought it to a conclusion. It was Anthony Joshua, just like he did against Wladimir Kiltschko back in 2017 in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.

    To conclude: So overall each fighter has a different universal perception, because of their characters, personalities and how they have been marketed as fighters 'Deontay Wilder was marketed as a violent, aggressive, tremendously competitive fighter. Anthony Joshua was marketed as a hero to the masses, a fighter who projects compassion and empathy not only for his supporters but also his enemies'.

    On April 29th 2017 'Anthony Joshua became Superman. British Boxing's hero. Tyson Fury was never a hero to the masses, in the same way as Anthony Joshua. David Haye was once upon a time on his way to becoming that hero, but? In the aftermath of his lost to Wladimir Kiltschko he turned heel when he experienced how the masses can turn against you. Tyson Fury also took a similar path of David Haye after his trials and tribulations'.

    Anthony Joshua has never turned against the boxing community 'Or those within British Boxing who have also turned against him. Wrote him off, and devalued his feats of achievement all of sudden at this stage of his career. I have watched people within the media just completely distance themselves from Anthony Joshua after his recent loss to Daniel Dubois'.

    And that is why I have stated in the past 'That fighters such as Tyson Fury, and David Haye were right to turn heel when they did 'Because they will then know who their real supporters are'.

    Anthony Joshua may have masses of loyal supporters 'Joshua most likely brought many people into the sport. But there are also certain folk posing as his supporters, but they have ulterior motives. They are in my opinion just waiting for him to fall or encounter an obstacle. And I am not just talking about people within general society, I am referring to certain folk within the British Boxing Community'.

    If you are a supporter of a fighter 'You should then stay with them until the conclusion of their career. You don't distance yourself, or jump off a bandwagon after one loss or when that fighter encounters turbulent times in their careers. Because that is part of the journey and battle' etc.






    Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 04-01-2025, 08:04 AM.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
      Wilder never lost during his prime years to anyone who he didn't at least draw with.
      Oh stop.

      No **** he never lost "in his prime years" when he spent them fighting guys like Szpilka and Duhaupas.

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      • #23
        AJ got the body *no diddy*, but AJ has a face that will never hurt an ant... AJ is a gentle giant, plus when AJ starts talking and you hear his british accent, it's not intimidating.. whereas for wilder, he's dark, mean looking, overall, just thugged out.
        Last edited by IceTrayDaGang; 04-01-2025, 10:35 AM.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by famicommander View Post

          Tyson vs world titlists:
          W vs Alfonso Ratliff TKO 2
          W vs Trevor Berbick TKO 2
          W vs James Smith UD 12
          W vs Pinklon Thomas TKO 6
          W vs Tony Tucker UD 12
          W vs Larry Holmes KO 4
          W vs Tony Tubbs TKO 2
          W vs Michael Spinks KO 1
          W vs Frank Bruno TKO 5
          L vs Buster Douglas KO 10
          W vs Frank Bruno TKO 3
          W vs Bruce Seldon TKO 1
          L vs Evander Holyfield TKO 11
          L vs Evander Holyfield DQ 3
          L vs Lennox Lewis KO 8

          Record: 11-4

          Wilder vs world titlists:
          W vs Siarhei Liakhovich KO 1
          W vs Bermane Stiverne UD 12
          W vs Bermane Stiverne KO 1
          D vs Tyson Fury SD 12
          L vs Tyson Fury TKO 7
          L vs Tyson Fury KO 11
          L vs Joseph Parker UD 12

          Record: 3-3-1

          C'mon.
          Wilder would have KOd all those Tyson did

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          • #25
            Originally posted by WillieWild114 View Post
            AJ had bigger muscles was actually the bigger guy however people found Wilder to be more tougher and intimidating. Both hit hard so it wasn’t just the power and both have been beaten ? So why is AJ looked at as the tougher guy
            - - AJ made Haymon's boy Deyonce skip a record purse to fight Blubber who who also skipped a record AJ offer.

            Of course little willies are always going to be intimidated by the Deyonces of the world.

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            • #26
              Marketing
              Most likely being able to end a fight with 1 punch
              Last edited by TheProudLunatic; 04-02-2025, 05:29 AM.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Boxing 112 View Post

                Wilder would have KOd all those Tyson did
                Wilder would not hold up vs Holys pressure.
                Holy had very good recuperating powers, even if he got buzzed. Wilder does not.

                vs Lennie, it's a toss up.
                Rahman ended him so no reason why Wilder couldn't .I would chalk that up to Lennie being careless more than Wilder being better.

                Wilder would probably end the Holmes and Spinks that Mike fought. Those were the worst versions.

                Those other names are absolutely atrocious !!!!!!!!

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by The D3vil View Post

                  How many times do we have to go through this.

                  Richard Tower, who sparred with The Klitschkos, Joshua, & everybody else, said Wilder hit a LOT harder than any of them.

                  David Haye, who sparred with Wilder & a bunch of others, said that Wilder hits harder than anybody else.

                  Just about everybody who fought/sparred Wilder said he hit harder than anybody they've ever been in the ring with

                  Only the "haters" claim he doesn't hit hard.

                  Hitting hard doesn't necessarily mean you'll beat everybody. Earnie Shavers was (before Wilder) considered almost universally the hardest hitter in boxing history & he only beat contenders & lost all the big fights he had.
                  .....

                  BKM- BKM- likes this.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
                    Joshua was outfought, outboxed and blown away while still in his prime and at his best; and never got a chance to even compete for the real heavyweight championship title. Wilder never lost during his prime years to anyone who he didn't at least draw with.
                    I can't give more credibility to Wilder because of who Joshua lost to. Deontay would have to have fought and beaten those who beat AJ for a fair comparison. I'd venture to say that every fighter that Wilder KO'd, so too would Joshua have KO'd.

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                    • #30
                      He's got a more aggressive and intimidating personality than Joshua

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