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Comments Thread For: George Kambosos Jnr secures shot at Richardson Hitchins with bloody win over the brave Jake Wyllie
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In Teo's defense, he was sick enough that he could have died in that fight, just as Loma was injured when he fought Teo. I don't think either fight is representative of the loser's level or ability.
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Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View PostIn Teo's defense, he was sick enough that he could have died in that fight, just as Loma was injured when he fought Teo. I don't think either fight is representative of the loser's level or ability.
He wasnt recovered from surgery.
He was sick.
He struggled to make weight.
He was jet lagged.
He injured his ankle during the fight.
He had a headache and wasn't at his best.
He had family issues.
There's no clear way to separate excuses.
No camp or fight is perfect. When do the stars ever align for 100% perfect circumstances? It's a myth.
You compete or don't compete, and you win or lose. (Or you win and get robbed by judges, or lose and get a gift). Everything else is just intellectual chewing gum, and it doesn't change that any competition has some measure of chance.
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Originally posted by BustedKnuckles View Post
He looked ready to die from Kambosas beating the crap out of him. I prefer to give fights to their winners without making excuses for the losers. Otherwise, where do the excuses stop?
He wasnt recovered from surgery.
He was sick.
He struggled to make weight.
He was jet lagged.
He injured his ankle during the fight.
He had a headache and wasn't at his best.
He had family issues.
There's no clear way to separate excuses.
No camp or fight is perfect. When do the stars ever align for 100% perfect circumstances? It's a myth.
You compete or don't compete, and you win or lose. (Or you win and get robbed by judges, or lose and get a gift). Everything else is just intellectual chewing gum, and it doesn't change that any competition has some measure of chance.
A lot of those things are crap though. If you had surgery prior, you should have been working hard in rehab, and you don't take the fight until you know you're ready. If you have a headache, there's plenty of things to do, and you should have someone in your camp who knows how to deal with that. If you can't make weight, you're either undisciplined, need to get a good dietician, or you're on the wrong weight class trying to be a weight bully. Either way, I have zero sympathy. Making weight correctly is part of your job FFS. Being jetlagged? Fly in earlier for the fight. I only give credence for that sort of thing if you're an extremely short notice replacement fighter, like Martin Bakole. If you get injured during the fight, it sucks, and people will usually cut you some slack, but that does happen. Tim Tszyu got plenty of slack for his cut v Fundora. How did he come back though? Overconfident, and got smashed by an injured Murtazaliev, who I give double credit for winning in that way going into the fight with an injury, because it works both ways. Family issues? There's a lot you can do to address that as well on your own. Maybe if it's really short notice, and something that affects your camp, like your father who was your head trainer abruptly dies right before the fight. That's honestly going to seriously affect performance. But other things you have the ability to work on, and they don't HAVE to affect your performance in ring negatively. That's down to the fighter. Champions have the mentality to get in there and overcome.
That being said, I do think Teo is mentally weak, and the bad corner instructions and failure to adjust during the fight are continuing problems for him and his team. But when you still fight when you're sick enough to potentially die in the ring, it deserves a mention.
These things are absolutely NOT that hard to separate IMO, particularly if you've been through fight camps and been in the ring. It's pretty obvious that there's some things you just can't really tough out that sap your ability, and other things that you can if you're treating it like a professional. And getting seriously sick or injured right before the fight have major effects that you can't just deal with. You are free to disregard the excuses if you want. But I think they're pretty easy to distinguish between things that are legit, and others that aren't (my ring walk costume was too heavy, for instance).
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