Floyd Rewatching Marquez-Pacquiao IV

[djtmal]

All these years later, Floyd and Manny are still the biggest draws in the sport.

Didn't Floyd fight to an empty arena

[HisExcellency]

Riiiiight, but, your "natural" weight changes over time. You do know that, right?

In 2008, Oscar hadn't fought lower than Jr Middleweight in 7 years....Meaning...at that point his natural, comfortable fighting weight was Jr Middleweight. Hence....why he'd been campaigning there for 7 years.

I'm not sure where you're lost on that one.



Yeah, because he's not.

He has zero wins KO wins over ranked opponents. He has less than 5 KD's vs ranked opponents.

That's objectively not a puncher.

Obviously but like I said before, fighter's put on weight as they get older (like everybody else) and become lazy so it might've been more CONVENIENT for him to fight at Junior Middleweight towards the end of his career (he was 34yo when he fought Mayweather) but that still DOESN'T make it his 'natural' weight class (especially when he's had twice as many fights at Welterweight). Also, we're literally talking about ONE weight division plus he had absolutely no problems boiling down to face Pacquiao and actually weighed in under the limit (145lbs) on the scales. Everything else he said afterwards about being weight drained was just a convenient excuse to detract from the fact that he got battered from pillar to post and couldn't deal with Pacquiao's SPEED.

As for your second comment...LMAO!

[IronDanHamza]

Obviously but like I said before, fighter's put on weight as they get older (like everybody else) and become lazy so it might've been more CONVENIENT for him to fight at Junior Middleweight towards the end of his career (he was 34yo when he fought Mayweather) but that still DOESN'T make it his 'natural' weight class (especially when he's had twice as many fights at Welterweight). Also, we're literally talking about ONE weight division plus he had absolutely no problems boiling down to face Pacquiao and actually weighed in under the limit (145lbs) on the scales. Everything else he said afterwards about being weight drained was just a convenient excuse to detract from the fact that he got battered from pillar to post and couldn't deal with Pacquiao's SPEED.

You say "obviously" but it doesn't seem like it's anywhere near obvious to you because you've then gone back and spouted the same non-sensical garbage directly after.

He'd been at Jr Middleweight or above for 7 years, thus, at the time was his natural weight. That's a fact. I don't know where you're lost on it.

As for your second comment...LMAO!

Yeah, so, you've got nothing

Nice one.

[HisExcellency]

Also, why are you ignoring the fact that working with someone doesn't make you a PED cheat?

Pacquaio worked with Ariza for years who has links to PEDs. Does that make Pacquaio a drug cheat?

It's NOT the same thing at all. Ariza has never been convicted of supplying PEDs whereas Marquez's S&C coach (Memo) actually ADMITTED to supplying a number of former athletes with EPO, steroids & HGH. Also, don't you think it's highly su****ious that Marquez couldn't drop Pacquiao once in the first 3 fights but suddenly dropped him hard in the 4th TWICE (including a devastating KO)? Read between the lines!

I suggest you read the article below which tells you how much of a scumbag Memo is and the sheer volume of athletes he supplied with PEDs both in and out of boxing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a9150211.html

[HisExcellency]

You say "obviously" but it doesn't seem like it's anywhere near obvious to you because you've then gone back and spouted the same non-sensical garbage directly after.

He'd been at Jr Middleweight or above for 7 years, thus, at the time was his natural weight. That's a fact. I don't know where you're lost on it.



Yeah, so, you've got nothing

Nice one.

Lol I said nothing because you're a fool and there's absolutely no point in debating with you. I already provided ample evidence that Thurman either dropped or knocked out 24/30 men he ever shared the ring with (including ranked opposition) and the ones he failed to drop/KO were pretty much all only stopped in the final fight of their career. Anybody with HALF a brain cell would acknowledge him as a puncher based on those FACTS (just like pretty much all normal fans/media/pundits etc already DO).

However, you're one of those people who refuses to admit being wrong (I've had a good LAUGH reading your overly defensive comments in the rest of the thread)!

PS: ODLH is yet another example of you failing to grasp the basics. He had absolutely NO problem dropping 7 pounds to fight Manny in a weight class he was hugely experienced in otherwise he wouldn't have taken the fight. The fact that he came in 2lbs LIGHTER than the Welterweight limit proves he had no difficult making weight despite his age.

[IronDanHamza]

It's NOT the same thing at all.

It is quite literally the same thing.

Both are S&C coaches, with links to PEDs.

Infact, atleast Memo is transparent about it, unlike Ariza who despite links to PED use has never been transparent and just caught out.

You're just deciding to consider one of them reasons to deem an athlete a drug cheat and not the other. Which, is just overt hypocrisy.

Ariza has never been convicted of supplying PEDs whereas Marquez's S&C coach (Memo) actually ADMITTED to supplying a number of former athletes with EPO, steroids & HGH

Memo was never convicted of anything either. He was a federal witness.

Both Memo and Ariza have links to PEDs. It's a simple as that.

Also, don't you think it's highly su****ious that Marquez couldn't drop Pacquiao once in the first 3 fights but suddenly dropped him hard in the 4th TWICE (including a devastating KO)? Read between the lines!

I mean yeah, it's su****ious. But su****ion isn't evidence for someone being a drug cheat. You can't label someone a drug cheat due to suspsicion.

Manny Pacquaio is suscpious aswell. You can't label him a drug cheat for that reason either.

I suggest you read the article below which tells you how much of a scumbag Memo is and the sheer volume of athletes he supplied with PEDs both in and out of boxing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a9150211.html

I'm well aware who Memo is. He's an expert in his field. As is Alex Ariza, by the way.

It's irrelevant to the point. You can't just deem someone a drug cheat for working with someone linked to PEDs and if you are then you'll have to deem the same for everyone else that has worked with people linked to PEDs. Such as, Manny Pacquaio for example.

It's one or the other. You can't have both.

[IronDanHamza]

Lol I said nothing because you're a fool and there's absolutely no point in debating with you. I already provided ample evidence that Thurman either dropped or knocked out 24/30 men he ever shared the ring with (including ranked opposition) and the ones he failed to drop/KO were pretty much all only stopped in the final fight of their career. Anybody with HALF a brain cell would acknowledge him as a puncher based on those FACTS (just like pretty much all normal fans/media/pundits etc already DO).

Keith Thurman has never knocked out or stopped a ranked opponent. That is a fact.

He has barely even dropped ranked opponents. Also a fact.

Facts don't care about your feelings unfortunately. You might feel like Thurman is some big puncher but he objectively is not. Because if he was, he would have a KO vs a ranked opponent. But, he doesn't, thus he's not.

PS: ODLH is yet another example of you failing to grasp the basics. He had absolutely NO problem dropping 7 pounds to fight Manny in a weight class he was hugely experienced in otherwise he wouldn't have taken the fight. The fact that he came in 2lbs LIGHTER than the Welterweight limit proves he had no difficult making weight despite his age.

He didn't have an easy time dropping at 150 to fight Steve Forbes let alone Welterweight. But that's neither here nor there anyway.

It still doesn't change the fact that in 2008 his natural and comfortable weight was at Jr Middleweight hence the fact he'd been campaigning there for 7 years.

If you can't understand something as simple as that then you're as close to brain dead as it gets I'm afraid.

[IceTrayDaGang]

It's NOT the same thing at all. Ariza has never been convicted of supplying PEDs whereas Marquez's S&C coach (Memo) actually ADMITTED to supplying a number of former athletes with EPO, steroids & HGH. Also, don't you think it's highly su****ious that Marquez couldn't drop Pacquiao once in the first 3 fights but suddenly dropped him hard in the 4th TWICE (including a devastating KO)? Read between the lines!

I suggest you read the article below which tells you how much of a scumbag Memo is and the sheer volume of athletes he supplied with PEDs both in and out of boxing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a9150211.html

bingo!!! but you know the ped expert dan who doesnt believe manny is on peds unless you start accusing marquez. his justification for this? Rios got popped working with ariza... but pac fired ariza before the rios fight. but dan is so desperate that he's holding onto this, not realizing that floyd hired ariza in 2015 AFTER knowing about the positive test from rios! LOL

[IronDanHamza]

bingo!!! but you know the ped expert dan who doesnt believe manny is on peds unless you start accusing marquez.

I never said I did, or didn't believe any of the fighters listed use PEDs. So you've just gone ahead and made that up, again.

What I believe is totally irrelevant and nothing more than an opinion and speculation.

What I'm referring to is the double standard, and furthermore what constitutes as evidence and where you need to be consistent. I am consistent across the board. It's one rule for all, not one rule for one and another for another.

his jutfication for this/ Rios got popped working with ariza... but pac fired ariza before the rios fight.

Justification for what? What am I justifying? I haven't even given a position on that. So you're, again, just making things up.

Both Marquez and Pacquaio have worked with people who have links to PED use. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. I can't make that any easier to understand.

If that is reasoning for someone being a drug cheat then either both are, or both aren't. END OF STORY.

The fact Pacquaio parted ways with Ariza is IRRELEVANT. We don't know the reason why they parted ways, there could be a plethora of them,

but dan is so desperate that he's holding onto this, not realizing that floyd hired ariza in 2015 AFTER knowing about the positive test from rios! LOL

It's funny that you think that the fact Floyd also falls into this catergory means that I don't still hold the same position on it As I said, unlike you and others, I'm consistent across the board. I don't care who the fighter is.

Floyd is more suspicious than both Marquez and Pacquaio anyway, by the simple fact that he has used a banned IV. So, there is actually data on Floyd that points to potential PED use, unlike Pacquaio and Marquez whereby there is none on either of them.

So that argument isn't going to work for you either, I'm afraid.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I never said I did, or didn't believe any of the fighters listed use PEDs. So you've just gone ahead and made that up, again.

What I believe is totally irrelevant and nothing more than an opinion and speculation.

What I'm referring to is the double standard, and furthermore what constitutes and evidence and where you need to be consistent. I am consistent across the board. It's one rule for all, not one rule for one and another for another.




Justification for what? What am I justifying? I haven't even given a position on that. So you're, again, just making things up.

Both Marquez and Pacquaio have worked with people who have links to PED use. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. I can't make that any easier to understand.

If that is reasoning for someone being a drug cheat then either both are, or both aren't. END OF STORY.

The fact Pacquaio parted ways with Ariza is IRRELEVANT. We don't know the reason why they parted ways, there could be a plethora of them,




It's funny that you think that the fact Floyd also falls into this catergory means that I don't still hold the same position on it As I said, unlike you and others, I'm consistent across the board. I don't care who the fighter is.

Floyd is more suspicious than both Marquez and Pacquaio anyway, by the simple fact that he has used a banned IV. So, there is actually data on Floyd that points to potential PED use, unlike Pacquaio and Marquez whereby there is none on either of them.

So that argument isn't going to work for you either, I'm afraid.

you said if we wanna accuse maerquez of being on peds then we have to do the same with manny then you brought up ariza. but here you claimed that you never accused manny of being on peds. so if that's the case then why are you getting emotional of what other posters say about marquez? this just proves deep down you believe manny is on peds. which is why you get triggered when others accuse marrquez. you stated that you dont care, but here you are LOL. if you feel that manny was never on peds then it shouldnt matter what others is saying about marquez.