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  • Haka
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    #151
    Originally posted by IronDanHamza

    Ok but do you have any proof that any of these fights happened vs Pacquaio?​

    You understand that it's just the exact same foolish argument that you're trying to make just flipped in reverse?

    First things first Pacquaio could have fought Nate Campbell or Guzman but he fought David Diaz instead.

    He also could have fought Zahir Raheem but he fought the guy who lost to Raheem instead in Morales.

    He could have fought Mosley in 2009, you've just revised history there. Pacquaio fought at WW in 2008. Mosley was #1 at WW in Jan 2009. He offered the fight to Pacquaio and Roach said no because Mosley was "Too good" so let's not revise history.

    Valero was linked with Pacquaio plenty of times, didn't happen.

    Berto was undefeated and an option for Pacquaio in 2010-2011 and ranked #2 but he decided to fight unranked Margarito and Mosley coming off a loss and a draw instead. So let's not revise history there either.

    Could have fought Paul Williams too, nothing was stopping him.

    He didn't fight Canelo.

    Pacquaio didn't duck a single name mentioned above here, the point is your argument is dumb. And I'm showing you why that is by using your own dumb logic.
    Let's take it case by case regarding Raheem, Campbell, Guzman. They were never really relevant, Diaz had the WBC and Pac was running through the divisions, he was not going to waste time and fight guys nobody has ever heard off when he can fight the champions in the higher divisions at 140 and 147. Valero had a tiny resume, could not get licenses, was in a lower weight class. Williams, Quintana, Clottey, Margarito and Floyd have been 147 for years.

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    • Haka
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      #152
      Originally posted by djtmal

      Keep it a buck he got a gift decision vs Collazo
      Prime Mosley in 1999
      Mosley 2006
      Tszyu
      undefeated Cotto
      Margarito
      Kell Brook
      PWill 147
      Sergio 154
      Thurman
      Spence
      Brook
      Bradley
      -- Collazo
      -- Quintana

      I've added 2 other fighters that could stylistically have brought a Castillo/Maidana type of fight.
      Last edited by Haka; 03-23-2025, 06:55 PM.

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        #153
        Originally posted by Haka

        Let's take it case by case regarding Raheem, Campbell, Guzman. They were never really relevant, Diaz had the WBC and Pac was running through the divisions, he was not going to waste time and fight guys nobody has ever heard off when he can fight the champions in the higher divisions at 140 and 147. Valero had a tiny resume, could not get licenses, was in a lower weight class. Pac never fought at 154 so why should he fight Canelo and Williams. Williams, Quintana, Clottey, Margarito and Floyd have been 147 for years.
        Ok...but...Do you have any proof that any of these fights happened vs Pacquaio?​

        When your logic is flipped on it's head you want to go "case by case". When it's the other way round you're demanding "proof" for a something that the onus is on you to prove.

        You understand the issue here, right?

        The exact same arguments you're making here can be used the other way, hence the issue, again.

        And just as a closing note, Pacquaio did fight at Jr Middleweight. So, yes he could have fought either of those two. He fought Margarito at Jr Middleweight so he could have fought Canelo and Williams at Jr MW.

        He could have fought Mosley in 2009 but Roach turned it down and said Mosley was "too good", he could have fought undefeated #2 ranked Berto in 2010 but he fought unranked fighters coming off losses instead.

        He COULD have fought anyone listed above. Nothing was stopping any of those fights from happening. Same as your list for Mayweather. Point is plenty of those fights weren't even in discussion let alone on the table. But you're just displaying an overt double standard.
        Last edited by IronDanHamza; 03-23-2025, 07:03 PM.

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          #154
          Originally posted by Haka

          Prime Mosley in 1999
          Mosley 2006
          Tszyu
          undefeated Cotto
          Margarito
          Kell Brook
          PWill 147
          Sergio 154
          Thurman
          Spence
          Brook
          Bradley
          -- Collazo
          -- Quintana

          I've added 2 other fighters that could stylistically have brought a Castillo/Maidana type of fight.
          Collazo and Quintana, two counterpunchers/boxers are fighters that stylistically bring a Castillo/Maidana type of fight? What are you, blind? They're polar opposites to those two stylistically what are you talking about?

          If we are throwing Collazo and Quintana in there for fights Mayweather didn't take then we need to throw in;

          Sadam Ali
          Lamont Peterson
          Shawn Porter
          Pauli Malignaggi
          Robert Guerrero
          Jan Zaveck
          Rafael Jackiewicz
          Mike Jones
          Victor Ortiz
          Devon Alexander

          And many more for fights Pacquaio missed aswell.

          If we are just going to include totally asinine ridiculous examples then we may as well just keep it going until the wheels fall off.

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            #155
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza

            Collazo and Quintana, two counterpunchers/boxers are fighters that stylistically bring a Castillo/Maidana type of fight? What are you, blind? They're polar opposites to those two stylistically what are you talking about?

            If we are throwing Collazo and Quintana in there for fights Mayweather didn't take then we need to throw in;

            Sadam Ali
            Lamont Peterson
            Shawn Porter
            Pauli Malignaggi
            Robert Guerrero
            Jan Zaveck
            Rafael Jackiewicz
            Mike Jones
            Victor Ortiz
            Devon Alexander

            And many more for fights Pacquaio missed aswell.

            If we are just going to include totally asinine ridiculous examples then we may as well just keep it going until the wheels fall off.


            explains why filipines is still 3rd world even after more than a century of being a US colony

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              #156
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza

              Collazo and Quintana, two counterpunchers/boxers are fighters that stylistically bring a Castillo/Maidana type of fight? What are you, blind? They're polar opposites to those two stylistically what are you talking about?

              If we are throwing Collazo and Quintana in there for fights Mayweather didn't take then we need to throw in;

              Sadam Ali
              Lamont Peterson
              Shawn Porter
              Pauli Malignaggi
              Robert Guerrero
              Jan Zaveck
              Rafael Jackiewicz
              Mike Jones
              Victor Ortiz
              Devon Alexander

              And many more for fights Pacquaio missed aswell.

              If we are just going to include totally asinine ridiculous examples then we may as well just keep it going until the wheels fall off.
              If we make the same list for Pac we can realistically put on as prime for prime fights that are ducked:

              Kell Brook
              Mosley 2009

              The list of Floyd is much more extensive in that regard.

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                #157
                Originally posted by Haka

                If we make the same list for Pac we can realistically put on as prime for prime fights that are ducked:

                Kell Brook
                Mosley 2009

                The list of Floyd is much more extensive in that regard.
                if anything Kell Brook ducked Floyd and manny

                Kell Brook was happy to camp out in the UK fighting random euroids

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                  #158
                  Originally posted by Haka

                  If we make the same list for Pac we can realistically put on as prime for prime fights that are ducked:

                  Kell Brook
                  Mosley 2009

                  The list of Floyd is much more extensive in that regard.
                  Buddy you just included COLLAZO AND QUINTANA for Mayweather And then said they have the same style as Maidana and Castillo when they are the LITERAL polar opposite stylistically

                  If you are including those then ALL of those names need to be including for fights Pacquaio missed. I could name another 20 atleast on top of that, if that is the standard.

                  Do you have any proof that any of these fights happened vs Pacquaio?​

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                    #159
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                    Buddy you just included COLLAZO AND QUINTANA for Mayweather And then said they have the same style as Maidana and Castillo when they are the LITERAL polar opposite stylistically

                    If you are including those then ALL of those names need to be including for fights Pacquaio missed. I could name another 20 atleast on top of that, if that is the standard.

                    Do you have any proof that any of these fights happened vs Pacquaio?​


                    I’ll add it’s a fighter’s job to fight the best opponent that pays the most

                    the top opponent isn’t always the one with a difficult style

                    manny got easy worked while Cotto made Floyd work

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                    • Haka
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                      #160
                      Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                      Buddy you just included COLLAZO AND QUINTANA for Mayweather And then said they have the same style as Maidana and Castillo when they are the LITERAL polar opposite stylistically

                      If you are including those then ALL of those names need to be including for fights Pacquaio missed. I could name another 20 atleast on top of that, if that is the standard.

                      Do you have any proof that any of these fights happened vs Pacquaio?​
                      You mentioned Collazo yourself and undefeated Kermin Cintron would have been a better win than Corrales, Castillo.

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