Comments Thread For: 'I felt a little offended' - Oscar De La Hoya weighs in on Turki Alalshikh-Dana White bond

[brankobugarski]

UFC is not an exculsive MMA outfit, which means that looking at the probability of what happens in the future, it looks like Turki and Dana have just created a fifth belt. Is it likely that all current promoters and all current belts will go away? Not likely, although some of them will probably disappear in the long run and only a few strong ones will survive.

[DClefthook]

UFC is not an exculsive MMA outfit, which means that looking at the probability of what happens in the future, it looks like Turki and Dana have just created a fifth belt. Is it likely that all current promoters and all current belts will go away? Not likely, although some of them will probably disappear in the long run and only a few strong ones will survive.

The one that's going to leave first is dazn. Looks like Dana and Turki are going to be doing business with ESPN and/or Netflix. Turki boy going to take all of matchroom's fighters. Not even going to be a need for Dazn in America because the boxing will be on Netflix/Espn.hahaha

[Oldskoolg]

These promoters need to stop putting all their eggs in one basket with Turki. They don't need Turki, they just need to stop being greedy

This about the best comment I’ve seen on this website in months

[Oldskoolg]

I'm not worried one bit about this new venture between Dana White and Turki a.k.a. WHITE TURKEY BOXING LEAGUE. Dana is going to try and manufacturer a boxer out of some ra ked MMA guy like America is goi g to fall for that shyte. There is only one boxing fan base in America which consists of fans from PBC Top Rank and GBP (DAZN). There is no backup boxing fan base over here just waiting in the wings for some new promoter to bring them on board. The UFC is a suburban white base that ain't coming back to boxing. The boxing base is urban (black and Hispanic) and 99% of us refuse to watch 2 grown men rolling around on the ground 'swordfighting' each other. Ain't gonna happen!

Cat daddy here is on fire with this post

[DClefthook]

Lou Dibella did a fantastic interview on the Ariel Helwani you tube channel today. If you don't believe about Dazn's failing business in America just listen to him. Fascinating interview!

[hennanra1000]

Honestly the current boxing model is unsustainable financially and the UFC model is the way to go. This obsession with America is killing the sport - no sport ‘belongs’ to any country. If a country hosts a sport it has to ensure a level playing field and good organisation where the best wherever they are from can compete. America has failed due to corruption and greed of promoters and networks along with sanctioning bodies and primadonna earnings.

What if there is some boxer in a ‘backwater’ country who happens to be better than Canelo but was never discovered because he didn’t have the money, contacts, access to amateur circuit etc etc.

Francis Ngannou, Khabib, Anderson da Silva and many others are proof that UFC is MUCH better at giving opportunities to find the best.

Also the idea of waiting 1 or 2 months for any major fight to be showing instead of a weekly roster where fighters have to JUSTIFY why they should be on the roster gives better opportunities for newcomers.

Boxing in US is stagnant and not working. Boxing didn’t start in the US so doesn’t NEED to stay there.

I don’t care for if its Saudi or any other country running such a league but its definitely time for a change from status quo where heavyweight division was held up for almost a decade with best not fighting best as just one example.

[DClefthook]

Honestly the current boxing model is unsustainable financially and the UFC model is the way to go. This obsession with America is killing the sport - no sport ‘belongs’ to any country. If a country hosts a sport it has to ensure a level playing field and good organisation where the best wherever they are from can compete. America has failed due to corruption and greed of promoters and networks along with sanctioning bodies and primadonna earnings.

What if there is some boxer in a ‘backwater’ country who happens to be better than Canelo but was never discovered because he didn’t have the money, contacts, access to amateur circuit etc etc.

Francis Ngannou, Khabib, Anderson da Silva and many others are proof that UFC is MUCH better at giving opportunities to find the best.

Also the idea of waiting 1 or 2 months for any major fight to be showing instead of a weekly roster where fighters have to JUSTIFY why they should be on the roster gives better opportunities for newcomers.

Boxing in US is stagnant and not working. Boxing didn’t start in the US so doesn’t NEED to stay there.

I don’t care for if its Saudi or any other country running such a league but its definitely time for a change from status quo where heavyweight division was held up for almost a decade with best not fighting best as just one example.

Boxing is just like capitalism. It didn't start in the US but this is where it has always thrived and prospered better than anywhere else. You make good arguments but the reason why it's not thriving as much as it should be in the US is because to many people have come here to try and create the next Floyd PPVweather. It's to many hands in the cookie jar. Eddie Hearn and Warrenn are on the brink of controlling UK boxing. The Saudis have already overrun London politics now they're taking over UK boxing. DAZN will go down as the biggest reason why UK boxing was lost by the Brits and they're trying to take America down too. But we ain't letting that happen cap-pen!

[Marchegiano]

...what?

I'm not saying the UFC always delivers the fights people want 100% of the time and on time (Jon/Aspinall being a current example) but overall waiting around for obvious fights between the two top guys in a division to be made as the norm is a boxing thing. You rarely even get "dream fights" in MMA because the divisions move along at such a fast pace matchmaking wise that nothing really gets time to build like that.

Nonsense, Stipe was the only champion who saw challengers in any sort of timely manner. That's why Couture and Cain have thousands of days as champion and only three defenses. This **** ain't new, it's just more popular and has social media commentary.

MMA "dream fights" have not taken place since Chuck Liddel got his ass kicked in Pride.


Imagine if Fury as WBC champion decided he doesn't need to fight anyone but the WBC mandatories and jango you have exactly what the UFC is. MMA dream fights? At best you're talking about when UFC buys another org and finally makes the fights the fans wanted to see the whole ****ing time. Every org that rose up that they did not buy, there's your dream fights. Every org they bought late and after the time had passed, there's your dream fights. Overeem could have been champion over Glory, Dream, Strikeforce, and UFC if not for UFC's protective bull****. instead we get old tired Reem vs spent as **** Lesnar as just some regular UFC HW fight because both have since lost their ****ing place in MMA. Dream fights doe. While Franny in the PFL, dream fights doe. Don't happen because they move so, so, so, fast. ... ... ... ... Not because the UFC crowns a champion and lets him sit on ass for years before defending against their own interim while trying their best to convince fans their fighters are best despite consistently losing their asses when a new org is bought and new fighters brought in.


If you didn't catch it let me make this real ****ing clear. Dana's promos work on you because you are dumb. Dumb enough to claim any dream fight has ever happened in the UFC.

[TMLT87]

Overeem could have been champion over Glory, Dream, Strikeforce, and UFC if not for UFC's protective bull****. instead we get old tired Reem vs spent as **** Lesnar as just some regular UFC HW fight because both have since lost their ****ing place in MMA

"Old tired Reem" was 31 years old, was almost exactly one year removed from winning the K1 GP and Dream title, and like 6 months removed from his best ever win in MMA. The guy was considered slap **** in his prime, no idea what you're talking about. And Brock was only "spent as ****" because he was defending his belt against top challengers in major fights and getting found out. Dude was champ for less than 2 years and his entire MMA career lasted less time than we waited for Spence/Crawford and Bivol/Beterbiev. If it had been boxing he probably would have held a belt for 5 years fighting dudes like Pat Barry and Meathead.

(btw, bringing up Reem/Brock gets even funnier when you remember that it happened only like a month after Cain/JDS 1, which was literally the biggest possible HW fight in the sport. JDS also fought Carwin, Reem fought Werdum and Bigfoot fought Fedor all that same year too. Big HW fights between top 5-10 guys frequently )

Imagine if Fury as WBC champion decided he doesn't need to fight anyone but the WBC mandatories and jango you have exactly what the UFC is

Disingenuous to say the least. You know its not at all what the UFC is. How about lets take a look at the current rankings in various divisions (closest weight equivalents) in both sports (using Ring and Sherdogs rankings respectively, Sherdog being independent and including none UFC fighters in its rankings also) to see how many fights have taken place between currently top 10 ranked fighters in each. That should give us a decent gauge on how frequently the best fight the best in each sport..right?

HW boxing: 10
HW MMA: 17

Cruiser boxing: 4
LHW MMA: 9

LHW boxing: 8
WW MMA: 5

Super WW boxing: 5
LW MMA: 17

WW boxing: 4
FW MMA: 14

Well ****, 5 sample divisions and MMA has much higher activity at top 10 level in four of them, having literally double the amount of top 10 vs top 10 fights total. Who could have seen that coming (apart from everybody)? not to mention the one division where boxing had higher activity has the smallest disparity and is a weight class where Sherdog has 3 non-UFC guys ranked in the top 10.


Thank you for making me waste 15 mins checking something that was abundantly obvious to anyone thats ever watched both anyway.

If you didn't catch it let me make this real ****ing clear. Dana's promos work on you because you are dumb.

Yes, couldnt possibly be that its just an objectively better product (see above) both in terms of the fan experience and how its run as a business. I suppose Turki must be dumb too?

[MulaKO]

I always stated that Turki was overpaying fighters and there had to be a reason
Although he has enormous amounts of it , he didn’t get that way by overpaying chit or throwing it out
By stating the obvious. I always wondered when and how Turki would begin to flex his power
And now we see the beginning of the light at the end of the tunnel and not sure if it’s blinding me or just plain outright dragging me to it
My gut tells me this monopolization of boxing is not a good route