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  • #11
    Kabayel is greater. But watch this space Wilder is american so might end up being considered greater. Being american gets you bonus points.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by NihonJim View Post
      Kabayel for me.

      He beat the young version of Luis Ortiz in frank Sanchez, Zhang and Makhmudov wins are better than losses to fury.
      Frank Sanchez is No Luis Ortiz.
      Zhang and Makhmudov wins are NOT better than losses to Fury when Fury was Prime and went to the floor so many times!

      So...within the 2015 - 2025 era, Wilder ranks a bit higher.
      But Agit Kabayel's time is just beginning.

      Answer: Wilder, by a nose.

      The current era is 2015 - 2025

      1. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 24-0-0 (14)
      2. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
      3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42)
      4. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21)
      5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24)
      6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
      7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
      8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
      9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
      10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29)
      11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21)
      12.Martin Bakole, Congo 21-2-0. (16)
      13.Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53)
      14.Joe Joyce, England 16-3-0 (15)
      15.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
      16.Derrick Chisora, England 36-13-0(23)
      17.Alexander Povetkin, Russia 36-3-1 (25)
      18.Kubrat Pulev, Bulgaria 32-3-0 (14)
      19.Filip Hrgovic, Croatia 17-1-0 (14)
      20.Charles Martin, USA 30-4-1 (27)
      21.Fabio Wardley, England 18-0-1 (17)
      22.Carlos Takam, Cameroon 40-8-1 (28)
      23.Johann Duhaupas, France 39-7-0 (26)
      24.Robert Helenius, Finland 32-5-0 (21)
      25.Otto Wallin, Sweden 27-3-0 (15)
      26.Bryant Jennings, USA 25-4-0 (14)2
      27.Frank Sanchez, Cuba 25-1-0 (17)
      28.Bermane Stiverne, Haiti 25-6-1 (21)
      29.Efe Ajagba, Nigeria 20-1-0 (14)
      30.Chris Arreola, USA 39-7-4 (31)
      31.Michael Hunter, USA 24-1-2 (17)
      32.Moses Itauma, England 11-0-0 (9)
      33.Hughie Fury, England 29-3-0 (16)
      34.Richard Torrez, USA 12-0-0 (11)
      35.Jared Anderson, USA 18-1-0 (15)
      36.Bakhodir Jalolov, Uzbek 14-0-0 (14)
      37.Tony Yoka, France 13-3-0 (11)
      38.Murat Gassiev, Armenia 31-2-0 (24)
      39.Aleksandr Ustinov, Russia 36-6-1 (27)
      40.Lucas Browne, Australia 31-6-0 (27)
      41.Dominic Breazeale, USA 20-3-0 (18)
      42.Gerald Washington, USA 20-6-1 (13)
      43.Frazier Clarke, England 8-1-1 (6)
      44.Jermain Franklin, USA 23-2-0 (15)
      45.Lenier Pero, Cuba 11-0-0 (8)
      46.David Haye, England 28-4-0 (26)
      47.Vyacheslav Glazkov, Ukraine 21-1-1 (13)
      48.Ruslan Chagaev, Uzbekistan 34-3-1 (21)
      49.Guido Vianello, Italy 13-2-1 (11)
      50.Arslanbek Makhmudov, Russia 19-2-0 (18)
      51.Lawrence Okolie, England 21-1-0(16)
      52.Tom Schwarz, Germany 29-1-0 (20)
      53.Adam Kownacki, Poland 20-4-0 (15)
      54.Justis Huni, Australia 12-0-0 (7)
      55.David Allen, England 23-7-2 (18)
      56.Trevor Bryant, USA 22-2-0 (15)
      57.Artur Szpilka, Poland 24-5-0 (16)
      58.Oscar Rivas, Colombia 28-1-0 (19)
      59.Petar Milas, Croatia 17-1-0 (13)
      60.Demsey McKean, Australia 22-2-0 (14)
      61.Alexander Dimitrenko, Ukraine 41-6-0 (26)
      62.Kevin Lerena, South Africa 30-3-0 (14)
      63.Umut Camkiran, Turkey 23-0-0 (21)
      64.Tomasz Adamek, Poland 53-6-0 (31)
      65.Francesco Pianeta, Italy 35-5-1 (21)
      66.Sam ***ton, England 24-4-0 (9)
      67.Joseph Goodall, Australia 11-2-1 (10)
      68.Stephan Shaw, USA 20-2-0 (15)
      69.Johnathan Guidry, USA 21-1-2 (13)
      70.Mahmoud Charr, Syria 34-5-0 (20)
      71.Amir Mansour, USA 23-4-1 (16)
      72.Ali Eren Demirezen, Turkey 17-1-0 (12)
      73.Vladyslav Sirenko, Ukraine 22-0-0 (19)
      74.Travis Kauffman, USA 32-4-0 (23)
      75.Mariusz Wach, Poland 38-11-0 (20)
      76.Simon Kean, Canada 23-2-0 (21)
      77.Ryad Merhy, Côte D’Ivoire. 33-3-0 (27)
      78.Christian Hammer, Romania 27-12-0 (17)
      79.Izuagbe Ugonoh, Poland 18-2-0 (15)
      80.Malik Scott, USA 38-3-1 (13)
      81.Erkan Teper, Germany 21-4-1 (13)
      82.Eric Molina, USA 29-9-0 (21)
      83.Hemi Ahio, New Zealand 23-1-0 (17)
      84.David Price, England 27-7-0 (20)
      85.Cassius Chaney, USA 23-2-0 (16)
      86.Sergey Kuzmin, Russia 19-2-0 (14)
      87.Tony Thompson, USA 40-7-0 (27)
      88.David Adeleye, England 13-1-0 (12)
      89.Johnathan Rice, USA 16-6-1 (11)
      90.Herve Hubeaux, Belgium 33-3-0 (14)
      91.Ivan Dychko, Kazakhstan 14-0-0 (13)
      92.Francis Ngannou, Cameroon 18-5-0
      (13)* (Record includes boxing against MMA fighters).
      93.Lukasz Rozanski, Poland 15-1-0 (14)
      94.Junior Fa, New Zealand 20-3-0 (11)
      95.Alex Leapai, Samoa 32-8-4 (26)
      96.George Arias, Dominican Rep 18-1-1 (7)
      97.Nelson Hysa, Albania 20-0-0 (18)
      98.Dillon Carman, Canada 14-6-0 (13)
      99.Razvan Cojanu, Romania 17-7-0 (9)
      100.Nathan Gorman, England 19-3-0 (13)

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      • #13
        People on this website are way too obsessed with hating Wilder. Facts! Not one person here can do what he accomplished. Win lose or draw and least the mofo was entertaining. Any other ref would have called the 1st fight over once they saw Fury on his back! Yea Fury recovered but that was a legit KO in my book. Glad Usyk showed everyone how to beat Fury’s ass. Way too much hate for Wilder yo

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        • #14
          Kabayel beat Zhang . So what! Can he beat the other heavy weights is the question. We will see . Crap on Wilder all you want . The man had power.

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          • #15
            People respect Wilders punching power, and im sure at one point, people thought that punch might get him out of jail against anyone on earth. But bottom line is he hasnt beat anyone. And had he fought Tyson fury earlier, and considering those fights took so much out of him supposedly. Its debateable whether Wilder would have beat half of the guys he did like Luis Ortiz, Spitzke, Duhupas, with a Fury loss under his belt.
            Last edited by hugh grant; 03-01-2025, 10:25 AM.

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            • #16
              European promotors almost ruined Kabayel`s career. It took him 6 years to get big fights since beating Chisora in 2017. He entered Makhmudov fight as a huge underdog, but won by a stoppage. This Saudi cards really not only saved his career, they made his career.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by PRvazquez View Post
                Kabayel beat Zhang . So what! Can he beat the other heavy weights is the question. We will see . Crap on Wilder all you want . The man had power.
                - - Boy Toy of he Uncle Al.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
                  People respect Wilders punching power, and im sure at one point, people thought that punch might get him out of jail against anyone on earth. But bottom line is he hasnt beat anyone. And had he fought Tyson fury earlier, and considering those fights took so much out of him supposedly. It’s debateable whether Wilder would have beat half of the guys he did like Luis Ortiz, Spitzke, Duhupas, with a Fury loss under his belt.
                  That’s revisionist history though. You thinking way too deep. He fought who he fought at the time when it happened and that’s it . Any fighter who lost can be broken down that way and we can say different things. But that’s not the way it went buddy
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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by NihonJim View Post
                    Kabayel for me.

                    He beat the young version of Luis Ortiz in frank Sanchez, Zhang and Makhmudov wins are better than losses to fury.
                    Greater? What does that mean? Greater how? Neither guy is near the lens used by history to evaluate accomplishment. What you are doing and Dugghum has done is spam the board with nonsense. Kabayel could win and do incredible things... like beat Parker and Usyk, or he could lose his next fight, be beat by a fighter like Bakole... we do not know.

                    Wilder's accomplishments are already in the bag... Unless he somehow miraculously comes back... He obviously had a short and dominant career which saw him hold and defend his belt, beating the excellent Ortiz and losing to Fury in a world class trilogy.

                    Your comparison is apples to oranges.

                    There once was a fighter who was lauded as a potential hard punching challenge to all involved. Everyone thought he was going to be great as he ascended the ranks... That fighter was Charles Martin who people now feel free to disparage since he lost to Joshua.
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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
                      Kabayel is greater. But watch this space Wilder is american so might end up being considered greater. Being american gets you bonus points.
                      Ok Sid Knee

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