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  • dan_cov
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    #11
    Usyk is no weaker to the body than anyone else. Can he be hurt to the body? Yes as can anyone.

    This myth he is weak to the body needs to die. He has been dropped once to the body in 300+ fights pretty much all at elite level vs a top fighter who has bricks for fists. This was about 15+ years back!

    Gassiev is a serious body puncher who targeted the body, Briedis, Chisora, DDD, AJ x2, Fury X2
    All these punchers, these destructive bodypunchers have based their game plans largely around going to his body and he has taken them all.
    Its been done to death. I can not think of another fighter whose body is more proven.

    Will there ever come a time where people stand back and reassess and realise this whole ''Pressure him up, rough him up, go to the body'' simply isn't the way to go about it? Just admit they was wrong. It seems a throw enough darts you'll hit the bullseye eventually tactic at this stage.
    Firstly its easier said than done, secondly this isn't the best way to deal with Usyks style.
    The whole body shots thing and the Chisora fight are totally overblown.

    DDD - it was a low blow, very low as was just about every 'body shot' he threw. He purposely threw countless low blows in that fight with the sheer hope he could pull a fast one and steal the win.

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      #12
      Originally posted by elfag




      You are forgetting the part where the ref repeatedly warned him that he would be DQ'd for further legal body shots. The ref took away his best shot. What was he supposed to do, outbox Usyk from the outside? he was never going to do that. his perfectly legal body shots were Usyk's kryptonite but the ref was protecting investor pockets because Dubois was a stay busy fight before Fury, his role was to lose, when he risked the upset happening that is tens of millions of dollars on the line in future revenue for a lot of people, the ref put a stop to that upset.
      The rules of boxing say any punch landed below the navel is a foul. Usyk's navel was about level with the top of his trunks.That punch landed about 4 inches below the top of his trunks. It was a low blow, and one of many landed by DD. He was lucky not to have points deducted.

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        #13
        Originally posted by elfag
        Usyk has a soft body.

        beterbiev dropped him with a body shot too and he always winces when a good one lands.

        everyone has a weakness and bodyshots are Usyk's.

        I like Usyk but Im annoyed that Dubois got cheated of winning the championship, that was a legal blow and Usyk did not appear to want to get up
        350+ amateur fights. 2 division undisputed champion as a pro, winning all his titles in the opponents back yard. Touched down own once, briefly, from a body punch landed by one the hardest p4p punchers in the game.

        Yeah, clearly a glaring weakness there.

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          #14
          Originally posted by dan_cov
          Usyk is no weaker to the body than anyone else. Can he be hurt to the body? Yes as can anyone.

          This myth he is weak to the body needs to die. He has been dropped once to the body in 300+ fights pretty much all at elite level vs a top fighter who has bricks for fists. This was about 15+ years back!

          Gassiev is a serious body puncher who targeted the body, Briedis, Chisora, DDD, AJ x2, Fury X2
          All these punchers, these destructive bodypunchers have based their game plans largely around going to his body and he has taken them all.
          Its been done to death. I can not think of another fighter whose body is more proven.

          Will there ever come a time where people stand back and reassess and realise this whole ''Pressure him up, rough him up, go to the body'' simply isn't the way to go about it? Just admit they was wrong. It seems a throw enough darts you'll hit the bullseye eventually tactic at this stage.
          Firstly its easier said than done, secondly this isn't the best way to deal with Usyks style.
          The whole body shots thing and the Chisora fight are totally overblown.

          DDD - it was a low blow, very low as was just about every 'body shot' he threw. He purposely threw countless low blows in that fight with the sheer hope he could pull a fast one and steal the win.
          Great post!

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            #15
            Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
            It was not a ludicrously low punch 'But it was low enough for Oleksandr Uysk to push the boundaries of gamesmanship. Uysk also behaved in a similar fashion against Joshua in their second fight when Joshua whacked him to the mid section'.

            I have not actually listened or watched the interview 'At the time I make this post, but? I am not surprised if Martin Bakole has been smashed up in sparring a few times during his career. I find it very peculiar the way, people seem to be passing over his loss vs Michael Hunter'.

            The loss is not what I am criticizing Martin Bakole for 'It is the manner in how he lost, against a fighter Michael Hunter. Who was a former Cruiserweight fighter, that has never been renowned for his brute strength or offensive power. Bakole was beaten by Hunter, at his own game. Hunter bulled him and smashed him up into submission'.

            Michael Hunter is skill for skill the best fighter 'And highest level fight, Bakole has ever fought. Apart from that Martin Bakole's best win is against a domestic level American Heavyweight fighter. Bakole is for sure a dangerous and solid heavyweight fighter, but? For me to truly consider him a Word level threat he will need to compete and win at a higher level'.

            In regards to Daniel Dubois vs Oleksandr Uysk I 'The trajectory of the fight was already apparent by the middle rounds. Dubois was beginning to fade, like he has done historically in all of his top level Heavyweight fights. I have personally always regarded Daniel Dubois as a front runner, I have witnessed nothing in his career which suggest he is not a front runner at top level'.

            Daniel Dubois was done by the middle rounds vs Joe Joyce, although Dubois showed courage to battle on for so long with his injury. That injury was inflicted upon him by Joe Joyce, I think people in the boxing community need to acknowledge that. Joyce was smashing Dubois up with his jab. And the more the fight progressed Dubois was systematically being beaten up. Daniel Dubois was done by the middle rounds vs Oleksansdr Uysk I, and? I honestly believe his fifth round knockout of Anthony Joshua, saved him from being systematically beaten up over the distance by Joshua'.

            Note: Anthony Joshua on his worst night as professional fighter, from the very first moment he was knocked down in round 1 'Joshua got up off the deck and fought his way back into the fight. Round 2, round 3, round 4. round 5 Joshua was getting stronger and slowly but surely? His superior skill for skill boxing was beginning to surface. If it was not for all the uncharacteristic unforced errors and technical mistakes from Joshua in my opinion, Dubois really should of been smashed up'.

            I have referred to that fight and performance from Daniel Dubois as his 'Any Given Saturday'. In metaphorical to the NFL movie 'Any Given Sunday: 1999'. Daniel Dubois to his credit took his opportunities against a version of Anthony Joshua, who seemed to totally disregard is Olympic Gold Medal skills and professional experience as one of the Three Heavyweight Mountains of this era'.

            Daniel Dubois vs Oleksandr Usyk II 'Is an intriguing fight still. But people need to factor in? That essentially Dubois lost the fight, due to his lack of endurance. Daniel Dubois managed the pace of Oleksandr Uysk worst than both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua by many miles. Daniel Dubois weighed in at 233 pounds, which suggests Don Charles and his team? Tactically prepared him for endurance, and a distance fight. Even still with all of that preparation, Daniel Dubois began to disappear soon as he reached the middle rounds. Because like I have been telling everyone? Daniel Dubois stylistically as a fighter, is a front runner'.

            To conclude: This newer version of Daniel Dubois is weighing in close to 250 pounds 'To be specific, Dubois weighed in at 248 pound vs Anthony Joshua. Dubois and his team already know from experience, that? It will be very difficult for them to beat Uysk in a skill for skill endurance fight. Therefore in there is a rematch? I would expect Daniel Dubois to continue with his recent conditioning, and tactically prepare for a extremely high octane violent attacking fight vs Oleksandr Uysk II'.

            Daniel Dubois and his team are clearly high off his recent performances 'They most likely believe, the power of Dubois can get to Oleksandr Uysk in a rematch. If Dubois is to win vs Uysk II, it would have to be inside the first 6 rounds. I think most top level Heavyweights and their training teams are aware what the blue print is to beat Dubois, yes he is dangerous and powerful. But skill for skill he is not a very sophisticated boxer, and soon as those middle rounds approach he begins to fade as a fighter' etc.
            Your post just doesn’t elevate fugh all considering that Bakole threw out his shoulder
            That is why and only why he lost the fight against Hunter
            smh

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              #16
              Originally posted by elfag
              Usyk has a soft body.

              beterbiev dropped him with a body shot too and he always winces when a good one lands.

              everyone has a weakness and bodyshots are Usyk's.

              that was a legal blow and Usyk did not appear to want to get up
              The ruled it low. Therefore, by definition, it wasn't a legal blow and Usyk didn't need to get up till he was good and ready. If the ref hadn't ruled it low and had started counting, Usyk would have gotten up and beaten the count, then gone on to beat Dubois.

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                #17
                Originally posted by MulaKO

                Your post just doesn’t elevate fugh all considering that Bakole threw out his shoulder
                That is why and only why he lost the fight against Hunter
                smh
                He put his shoulder out repeatedly swinging and hitting only fresh air. He was never going to beat Hunter in that fight. The couple of times Bakole did manage to catch him clean, Hunter took the punches well.

                Edit: Thanks for "liking" my previous post. Gotta give my honest opinion though.
                Last edited by kafkod; 02-16-2025, 11:18 AM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by kafkod

                  He put his shoulder out repeatedly swinging and hitting only fresh air. He was never going to beat Hunter in that fight.
                  You really believe that
                  It looked to me like that shoulder was the culprit of his loss
                  I would though like him to avenge that loss before moving on and yes I know he’s got bigger fish to fry but that would settle this argument

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by MulaKO

                    You really believe that
                    It looked to me like that shoulder was the culprit of his loss
                    I would though like him to avenge that loss before moving on and yes I know he’s got bigger fish to fry but that would settle this argument
                    Hunter, when he was at his best, was a very underrated fighter. There was nothing spectacular about him and he was small, for a HW, But he had a great chin, great engine, and he knew how to ride punches to take the sting out of them.

                    Styles make fights, and Hunter was just wrong for Bakole, which is why they turned down repeated offers of a rematch.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by kafkod

                      Hunter, when he was at his best, was a very underrated fighter. There was nothing spectacular about him and he was small, for a HW, But he had a great chin, great engine, and he knew how to ride punches to take the sting out of them.

                      Styles make fights, and Hunter was just wrong for Bakole, which is why they turned down repeated offers of a rematch.
                      Ok my bad
                      I wasn’t aware of that
                      Styles make fights , right
                      And yes I do agree that Hunter was very underrated but I was still under the assumption that it’s a fight Bakole could win

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