Who is better? Joe Joyce or Luis Ortiz

[Sid-Knee]

I justified what I said just fine gimp... Factually? Do you understand that we are essentially dealing with opinions? Of course I laid out the facts I consider relevant to those opinions. You come on here with all kinds of tangents, inane accusations and expect to e taken seriously... You are not. Not by me... I am getting bored with this lol. You add nothing that I can see , with a slight amusement factor which I do appreciate.

I will briefly comment on the last sentence and direct you to what I posted to kafkod. Joyce failed to make minor adjustments... He could not get his offense working and made the same amateur defensive mistakes to such an extent that it became obvious he was limited. He did this against Zhang. Now those happen to be facts. HOW one interprets them would be opinion. Because I like you I will repeat myself: When a fighter cannot make minor adjustments this is a sign they are not particularly well trained, or at least are unable to compete at a certain point.

Wilder showed something different. He had all the signs of a fighter who was shot against a common opponent (Zhang). Again, draw your own conclusions but the actions speak for themselves. Despite what Eddie hearns tells ya!

You gave those words as reasoning to how Joyce was exposed. If that's the criteria you come out with, it's the criteria all fighters should come under in the same position. That includes Wilder, Ortiz and the likes of Frazier. Either retract your comment or fully support it. Stop giving me a load of senseless waffle. It's clear you're regretting writing it now considering the desperation you're now feeling.

Joyce couldn't get his offence off because he had a massive southpaw in front of him who stood his ground. He couldn't get his feet in the right position to let his offence go the way he could against orthodox fighters. Yeah, styles play a part. Who knew. Haha.

Oh, Ortiz, Wilder, Frazier and the likes of Foreman made minor adjustments did they? Maybe you could list them all then. But i'm sure i'll get a few replies without you so much as coming close to justifying what you wrote. It will be the same deflections as all the others.

[Sid-Knee]

Why would this even matter? Who ducked who... Fighters that people called "scared" how silly... Did AJ fight Ortiz? That is all that matters.

When could AJ fight Ortiz? Give the time and date if it's so easy. You have to justify your position. Not go on a rambling spree without explaining anything. That's what matters. Having a rational and factual understanding of the situation. Something you'd be able to explain in detail with it making sense if that were the case. But yet, nothing.

[Sid-Knee]

You miss my point Gimp... Slow your brain down and use your ears before posting... I do not claim to know anything about fight negotiations... How could I? How could you? Stop listening to the crap Fast Eddie sprouts, use your brains. These negotiations have a lot of aspects that we will never be privy to. It is a characteristic of Joshuastans to be fans of promoters... what Ibad used to call "superfans" lol. You want to be taken seriously? Stop parroting a media narrative you could not possibly be privy to.

You do not know the conditions are for any monies offered... Fact. Contracts have conditions. They often seem to not violate "arm's length" provisions (look it up) but when you look into the contract they have conditions that are unreasonable. Grow up and stop swallowing Eddies manjuice...

You believe any of what i wrote came from Eddie or the media? It came from the horses mouth you imbecile. Ortiz and his team. You're always making claims that facts came from Eddie when they clearly didn't. Point out specifically what i wrote that came from Eddie? This is all public knowledge.

You really are an idiot. It has to be said. You're in your own fantasy world. But i'm glad i pulled you up on this nonsense. Watching you scramble about with all this laughable shlt you're writing was worth it. It's all just senseless and made up in your head. You're factually not making any sense.

[Sid-Knee]

Ortiz fought Christian Hammer in March of 2019.

The Joshua fight was for June 1, 2019

Miller tests dirty in April of 2019.

That would've given a 40 year old man less than 2 months to get ready for a HW title fight.

There's a reason that's when they called him.

Any of those guys could've fought him between 2014-2018.

It was Ortiz who said he'd be ready in that time. So with AJ needing an opponent on US soil, they offered him the fight. But we all know what happened next. Ortiz then started doing tricks and contradicting himself.

I asked for specific times and dates for specific fighters. This explains nothing. If what you're saying is correct, you'd be able to. This is too vague for it to matter. I need specifics if what you're saying is to be proved reasonable or unreasonable.

[billeau2]

You gave those words as reasoning to how Joyce was exposed. If that's the criteria you come out with, it's the criteria all fighters should come under in the same position. That includes Wilder, Ortiz and the likes of Frazier. Either retract your comment or fully support it. Stop giving me a load of senseless waffle. It's clear you're regretting writing it now considering the desperation you're now feeling.

Joyce couldn't get his offence off because he had a massive southpaw in front of him who stood his ground. He couldn't get his feet in the right position to let his offence go the way he could against orthodox fighters. Yeah, styles play a part. Who knew. Haha.

Oh, Ortiz, Wilder, Frazier and the likes of Foreman made minor adjustments did they? Maybe you could list them all then. But i'm sure i'll get a few replies without you so much as coming close to justifying what you wrote. It will be the same deflections as all the others.

You obviously do not know the difference between a minor and major adjustment... You come on here all loaded up lol and spit out tripe and call me out on senseless waffle? You do not even understand the level of finess concerning how styles cause problems and minor adjustments lol.

[billeau2]

It was Ortiz who said he'd be ready in that time. So with AJ needing an opponent on US soil, they offered him the fight. But we all know what happened next. Ortiz then started doing tricks and contradicting himself.

I asked for specific times and dates for specific fighters. This explains nothing. If what you're saying is correct, you'd be able to. This is too vague for it to matter. I need specifics if what you're saying is to be proved reasonable or unreasonable.

lol you are so full of shiate. The man could not be more specific... Dmbss

[billeau2]

You believe any of what i wrote came from Eddie or the media? It came from the horses mouth you imbecile. Ortiz and his team. You're always making claims that facts came from Eddie when they clearly didn't. Point out specifically what i wrote that came from Eddie? This is all public knowledge.

You really are an idiot. It has to be said. You're in your own fantasy world. But i'm glad i pulled you up on this nonsense. Watching you scramble about with all this laughable shlt you're writing was worth it. It's all just senseless and made up in your head. You're factually not making any sense.

You still aren't listening... My claim is not against any promoter in particular. The horses mouth? Someone who is a lawyer, privay to all aspects of the negotiations and whom you witnessed overseeing a contract? Your an idiot.

[billeau2]

When could AJ fight Ortiz? Give the time and date if it's so easy. You have to justify your position. Not go on a rambling spree without explaining anything. That's what matters. Having a rational and factual understanding of the situation. Something you'd be able to explain in detail with it making sense if that were the case. But yet, nothing.

It doesn't matter. I do not have to do anything but be amused by the entertainment you provide gimp... And frankly, your really slipping into d umb d umb land.

[billeau2]

Ortiz fought Christian Hammer in March of 2019.

The Joshua fight was for June 1, 2019

Miller tests dirty in April of 2019.

That would've given a 40 year old man less than 2 months to get ready for a HW title fight.

There's a reason that's when they called him.

Any of those guys could've fought him between 2014-2018.

Could you be more specific? Lol .

Seriously lets examine your contention that there was a reason to take advantage of Ortiz. It is totally consistent with what any promoter would do, so it makes perfect sense. Meanwhile the gimp and daggunitdumb would rather cast aspersions based on a fighter being "scared," lol. See why arguing with these fools is purely for entertainment value?

[MikeyMike100]

Better all around boxer ; Ortiz
Better resume : Joyce

Exactly how I feel