How well would gervonta Davis have done 20 years ago?

[El_Mero]

In the same era as : pbfm, Zab, Viv Harris, maussa, cotto, Hatton, tszyu, Gianluca bronco, Arturo Gatti, chop chop Corley, Castillo, casamayor, Juan Diaz, Nate Campbell, acelino Freitas, Julio Diaz, and Henry Brussels?

I'm asking because he rarely fights nowadays, how well would he have done back when it was murderers row from lw to jr welter weight?

He wouldn't fight em lol

[PRvazquez]

Tank is elite stop the propaganda.

[HisExcellency]

Should tell you something that you're the only one defending his "achievements". I've given him credit in the past for being clear that he's just in it for the money. He's done well for himself creating hype that he's some sort of a monster when he's not got the resume to actually prove it, and getting people like you to buy into it. But he's not a 3 division, or, realistically a two division champion.

Do you even hear yourself? "The lack of resume is the only thing lacking from his resume!!"

If you don't fight top competition, your resume doesn't say anything. It's easy to show out when you're not taking the step up, and he has yet to fight the top guys. He never fought Loma when Loma was #1. Literally got "he's not ready for that yet" for 5 years. You can make all the triangle theories you want, but he didn't fight the champs in his division, except at 130, and Santa Cruz was a division lower. It's FACT that he's only ever won legit titles at 130, and that he's never fought a real world champion in his own weight division outside of 130. No unifications, no fights without A-side clauses. None. And he'll retire without ever fighting a top guy. He's not even fighting Berinchyk. Didn't fight the low hanging fruit of Kambosos, let alone Shakur, Loma, Haney, Teo, Taylor. Didn't fight Commey. That's straight facts. Zero champions fought in his own division since moving up from 130, and he'll retire with that being true. You can get in your feelings about it, but that's fact. He's a year away from retirement, and we still have to talk about him relative to "de eye test doe" because he's given us zero fights against the top guys in the division.

Lol what part of Shakur, Loma, Haney, Teo, Taylor & Kambosos were ALL signed to TOP RANK whereas Tank was a PBC/Mayweather fighter don’t you understand? Therefore, it’s NOT as straightforward as you’d like to believe. In fact, another top fighter in Tank’s position (Spence) had to wait for Crawford to LEAVE Top Rank before the fight could be made which says everything.

However, if the sparring footage between Tank-Haney & Tank-Teo is anything to go by, I don’t think it’d be a stretch to say that Tank WHOOPS Devin and most likely beats Teofimo.

Inb4 “but but but sparring isn’t real fighting!’

[ODLH Chicano Goat]

Woah woah we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Let's wait for the result of the Lamont Roach fight before answering this question.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Lol what part of Shakur, Loma, Haney, Teo, Taylor & Kambosos were ALL signed to TOP RANK whereas Tank was a PBC/Mayweather fighter don’t you understand? Therefore, it’s NOT as straightforward as you’d like to believe. In fact, another top fighter in Tank’s position (Spence) had to wait for Crawford to LEAVE Top Rank before the fight could be made which says everything.

However, if the sparring footage between Tank-Haney & Tank-Teo is anything to go by, I don’t think it’d be a stretch to say that Tank WHOOPS Devin and most likely beats Teofimo.

Inb4 “but but but sparring isn’t real fighting!’

You get more laughable every time. Acting like PBC fighters are good about unifications? Every one of those fighters you named fought other top guys in their division at Top Rank, unlike Tank.

Also, Kambosos was with DiBella, and only signed a co-promotional with Top Rank. Which Tank could have also done, if PBC was in the way. He's a free agent now, and still won't make the fights. Haney was with Matchroom.

Spence? You can't possibly be that dumb. Bro literally came up with "the other side of the street" to duck Crawford, and we all saw why he was ducking when he finally ran out of excuses and had to fight the man. The mental gymnastics you go through are, honestly, spectacular.

You shouldn't even talk about sparring vs fighting because it's abundantly clear you've done neither.

I can't wait to see what you'll come up with next. Just wow. SMH.

[djtmal]

Who knows. He's not fighting guys who can hit him back

[HisExcellency]

You get more laughable every time. Acting like PBC fighters are good about unifications? Every one of those fighters you named fought other top guys in their division at Top Rank, unlike Tank.

Also, Kambosos was with DiBella, and only signed a co-promotional with Top Rank. Which Tank could have also done, if PBC was in the way. He's a free agent now, and still won't make the fights. Haney was with Matchroom.

Spence? You can't possibly be that dumb. Bro literally came up with "the other side of the street" to duck Crawford, and we all saw why he was ducking when he finally ran out of excuses and had to fight the man. The mental gymnastics you go through are, honestly, spectacular.

You shouldn't even talk about sparring vs fighting because it's abundantly clear you've done neither.

I can't wait to see what you'll come up with next. Just wow. SMH.

LMAO…you specifically asked why Tank hadn’t fought any of the top fighters in his division e.g. Shakur, Teo, Taylor, Loma, Kambosos & Haney and I told you it’s because he’s a PBC fighter whereas they were ALL signed to Top Rank. Therefore, DON’T try to go off on a tangent talking about PBC unifications or Top Rank in-house fights when that’s a completely separate discussion.

Also, Haney was a Top Rank fighter when he was a Lightweight (hence the 2 Kambosos fights) whereas Kambosos himself was co-promoted by Top Rank only AFTER beating Teo for the Lightweight belts. Therefore, it was next to impossible for Tank to fight those guys (or Teo/Taylor/Shakur) due to the promoter rivalry between Top Rank & PBC.

As things currently stand, all of the names you’ve mentioned bar Shakur & Loma have left the Lightweight division where Tank currently fights (he only had ONE fight at Junior Welterweight) plus there’s talk of the Saudis trying to put the superfight with Shakur together.

Also, the fact that you believe Spence was deliberately ducking Crawford and that you DON’T consider Tank a top fighter whereas most boxers, pundits and Ring m@gazine DO says everything about your boxing knowledge.

PS: It’s hilarious how EMOTIONAL you’re getting over discussing a boxer on an internet forum ahahaha!

[crimsonfalcon07]

LMAO…you specifically asked why Tank hadn’t fought any of the top fighters in his division e.g. Shakur, Teo, Taylor, Loma, Kambosos & Haney and I told you it’s because he’s a PBC fighter whereas they were ALL signed to Top Rank. Therefore, DON’T try to go off on a tangent talking about PBC unifications or Top Rank in-house fights when that’s a completely separate discussion.

Also, Haney was a Top Rank fighter when he was a Lightweight (hence the 2 Kambosos fights) whereas Kambosos himself was co-promoted by Top Rank only AFTER beating Teo for the Lightweight belts. Therefore, it was next to impossible for Tank to fight those guys (or Teo/Taylor/Shakur) due to the promoter rivalry between Top Rank & PBC.

As things currently stand, all of the names you’ve mentioned bar Shakur & Loma have left the Lightweight division where Tank currently fights (he only had ONE fight at Junior Welterweight) plus there’s talk of the Saudis trying to put the superfight with Shakur together.

Also, the fact that you believe Spence was deliberately ducking Crawford and that you DON’T consider Tank a top fighter whereas most boxers, pundits and Ring m@gazine DO says everything about your boxing knowledge.

PS: It’s hilarious how EMOTIONAL you’re getting over discussing a boxer on an internet forum ahahaha!

You're funny.

PBC fighters being the most likely to avoid unifications is literally the entire point. That's not a tangent at all. That's as on topic as it gets.

Not to mention, your facts are wildly off. Haney was with Matchroom for the majority of his lightweight career. He only was with Top Rank since 2022. Kambosos signed his co-promotional deal with Top Rank in 2023. Tank has been in lightweight since 2019. He's had plenty of time to fight the aforementioned. And he's been a free agent since the Rolly Romero fight in 2022. So Top Rank has fugh-all to do with it. You're just manufacturing nonsense that's not even factual.

Devin Haney was at lightweight from 2015 to December 2023. That's minimum 4 years to fight him.

Loma was at 130 in 2016 and Tank didn't fight him for those 3 years. He went up in 2018, followed by Tank, who still didn't fight him. Mayweather said Tank wasn't ready for him. He's been ducking Loma for 5+ years.

Teo was lightweight from 2016 to 2022. Plenty of time to fight him.

Etc.

It's literally fact that Tank avoided Loma, just as Spence is on record saying that Crawford was on "the other side of the street" and refusing to make the fight for years. That's the worst possible example for you to use.

And I have never said Tank wasn't a top fighter. I said that he's not fought a top fighter in his own division since he left 130, and that's FACT. I said he's not won a real world title outside of 130, and that is FACT. And I said that he's talking about retiring at the end of the year and wants those fights to be Roach and a drained Ryan Garcia who can't make 140, let alone 135, and that's FACT. I'll give him more benefit of the doubt if he fights Garcia at 147 without rehydration clauses, but as it is, he waited until Garcia couldn't make 135 to fight him at 135. I've been there. You have no idea how draining that is if you've never so much as tried making weight. And you up in here trying to pretend you have ANY boxing knowledge, but you don't even have your facts straight. I've had to correct your errors so many times in this thread that it's downright sad. You don't know who was fighting in what division when, who their promoters are, or were at the time, who was ranked, or even what a real world title is. Tank a 3 division champ? GTFO. You have zero room to be talking about other people's knowledge because yours is absolutely riddled with factual inaccuracies. Which is why you're the ONLY person defending this nonsense. Everyone else knows the truth about Tank and his non existent resume.

Sad thing is, he might actually BE the Truth, but we'll never know because he'll retire without ever really testing himself. But good for him for making bank off of casuals like you. He's been clear he's just in it for the money, and he's been very successful in that regard. Again, thanks to people like you.

[HisExcellency]

You're funny.

PBC fighters being the most likely to avoid unifications is literally the entire point. That's not a tangent at all. That's as on topic as it gets.

Not to mention, your facts are wildly off. Haney was with Matchroom for the majority of his lightweight career. He only was with Top Rank since 2022. Kambosos signed his co-promotional deal with Top Rank in 2023. Tank has been in lightweight since 2019. He's had plenty of time to fight the aforementioned. And he's been a free agent since the Rolly Romero fight in 2022. So Top Rank has fugh-all to do with it. You're just manufacturing nonsense that's not even factual.

Devin Haney was at lightweight from 2015 to December 2023. That's minimum 4 years to fight him.

Loma was at 130 in 2016 and Tank didn't fight him for those 3 years. He went up in 2018, followed by Tank, who still didn't fight him. Mayweather said Tank wasn't ready for him. He's been ducking Loma for 5+ years.

Teo was lightweight from 2016 to 2022. Plenty of time to fight him.

Etc.

It's literally fact that Tank avoided Loma, just as Spence is on record saying that Crawford was on "the other side of the street" and refusing to make the fight for years. That's the worst possible example for you to use.

And I have never said Tank wasn't a top fighter. I said that he's not fought a top fighter in his own division since he left 130, and that's FACT. I said he's not won a real world title outside of 130, and that is FACT. And I said that he's talking about retiring at the end of the year and wants those fights to be Roach and a drained Ryan Garcia who can't make 140, let alone 135, and that's FACT. I'll give him more benefit of the doubt if he fights Garcia at 147 without rehydration clauses, but as it is, he waited until Garcia couldn't make 135 to fight him at 135. I've been there. You have no idea how draining that is if you've never so much as tried making weight. And you up in here trying to pretend you have ANY boxing knowledge, but you don't even have your facts straight. I've had to correct your errors so many times in this thread that it's downright sad. You don't know who was fighting in what division when, who their promoters are, or were at the time, who was ranked, or even what a real world title is. Tank a 3 division champ? GTFO. You have zero room to be talking about other people's knowledge because yours is absolutely riddled with factual inaccuracies. Which is why you're the ONLY person defending this nonsense. Everyone else knows the truth about Tank and his non existent resume.

Sad thing is, he might actually BE the Truth, but we'll never know because he'll retire without ever really testing himself. But good for him for making bank off of casuals like you. He's been clear he's just in it for the money, and he's been very successful in that regard. Again, thanks to people like you.

Disagree on PBC fighters avoiding unifications given that Charlo became the undisputed Light Middleweight champion and Spence won 3/4 of the Welterweight belts fighting under their banner. Anyway, that's a SEPARATE discussion plus let's not forget that PBC/Top Rank unifications are virtually impossible hence the lack of superfights between Tank and Top Rank fighters such as Loma, Shakur & Teofimo etc.

Re Haney, whilst it's TRUE that Matchroom promoted him during the early part of his career, he only became a fully recognised champion (as opposed to an e-mail champ) AFTER unifying with Kambosos where he was promoted by Top Rank. That's my point. Therefore, you CAN'T really blame Tank for not fighting him when he was at Matchroom plus let's not forget that the Loma-Teofimo fight was billed as an undisputed clash and Sulaiman even confirmed Teofimo as the undisputed Lightweight champion in January 2021 himself!

https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-prez...weight--154542

Re Kambosos, he ONLY become a recognised name after defeating Teofimo plus both of his fights with Haney were promoted by Top Rank. However, since he lost both fights convincingly, there was absolutely NOTHING to gain for Tank by fighting him.

Also, Tank is definitely a PBC fighter despite his free agent status. In fact, if you look at the fight posters for the Martin, Ryan Garcia, Hector Garcia, Romero, Cruz, Barrios, Gamboa etc fights, they're ALL promoted by PBC. Therefore, this has definitely been a huge obstacle in making unification bouts with fighters across the street at Top Rank.

As for Lomachenko & Teofimo, I AGREE that Tank probably ducked the Ukrainian during the early part of his career due to being too green (Mayweather even said so himself), however, you also CAN'T overlook the fact that Tank is a PBC fighter whereas the other two are exclusively promoted by Top Rank. In fact, how many fights can you name between the two companies in recent years aside from Mayweather-Pacquiao and the occasional purse bid? That's why Spence said Crawford was on 'the other side of the street' and had to wait until he left Top Rank in order for the fight to be made!

Anyhow, despite all of the above, Tank is a recognised 2 weight world champion and has knocked out 28 of 30 opponents in 3 separate weight classes including many champions and top contenders which is why he's considered the 8th best fighter in the WORLD by Ring mag. Therefore, you can brag about your boxing knowledge all you like but until you ACCEPT that Tank is a top 10 p4p star as things currently stand, your opinion holds NO merit!

[crimsonfalcon07]

Blah blah blah PBC isn't an obstacle despite being the main company that doesn't work with others, and besides the fact that Tank is a free agent blah!

All that garbage which merely proves the point that PBC affiliation is an obstacle for unification, not affiliation with other companies. You couldn't even get the facts straight about who promotes who, and if you had any intent to be honest here, you would realize that PBC is absolutely full of fighters who don't want to fight. You even use the PBC term "side of the street" which is literally just PBC excuses not to fight. We see that CONSTANTLY from PBC fighters. Take a good look at the activity level of the main PBC fighters and champs. Lara, Adames, Charlo, Charlo, Spence, Thurman, Tank, etc... Does that inactivity and constant ducking of every non PBC fighter sound like a Top Rank problem, as you claimed?

And regardless of affiliation, Tank is NOT contracted to PBC, so any choice to insert PBC into negotiations to prevent the fight from happening is entirely on him. He's a free agent, so he has to choose to make it an issue. And he does.

Therefore, you can brag about your boxing knowledge all you like but until you ACCEPT that Tank is a top 10 p4p star as things currently stand, your opinion holds NO merit!

I have not once claimed to be some fount of boxing history knowledge. I've just had to correct your repeated and apparently deliberate mistakes and errors on several occasions because you can't admit when you're wrong. Tank isn't a 3 weight champion, as you claimed. He's barely a 2 weight one, since he's not the WBA (super) champion, and one existed when he got his belt, he didn't fight any of the full champions, then got upgraded from regular to WBA champion by email. That's just facts.

You want me to say he's on some mythical P4P list? First, P4P is just a popularity contest. I've never said he's a bad fighter, just that, factually, he's avoided top competition his entire career since leaving 130. You sound like his mother with your demurrals. The corrections I've made to your silly rants have all been verifiable fact, which is why you're alone in here defending your hero.

Second, P4P is fundamentally about showing skills vs top competition. He's a year away from retirement, and, as you yourself said, he's still missing the resume. He's clearly at a pretty high level, but we will likely NEVER know what that level is precisely because his resume is lacking. As far as being on MY P4P top 10, there's just too many guys who have better accomplishments and resumes.

Usyk, Inoue, Crawford are clearly 1-3. Beterbiev, Canelo, Bivol, Bam Rodriguez are consensus 4-7, in not necessarily that particular order. Real 3 division champ Junto Nakatani is on most lists, and there's a laundry list of other guys who have better accomplishments, even potentially the aforementioned Errol Spence Jr. Teo certainly has a better resume. Within lightweight alone, can you HONESTLY say that Tank Davis has a better claim than, say, Shakur Stevenson or Lomachenko, without ever proving he could beat them? And that's leaving out Devin Haney, etc. All you have is your unproven feeling that he would beat them, and he's never going to validate that because he's too busy taking your money against the Rolly Romero, Ryan Garcia, etc level of opposition.

As I have said before, Tank Davis COULD have been a real P4P talent, based on eye test. But we'll never know, because he's consistently chosen to never actually test himself.

Ring is no longer the authority it once was, thanks to selling out, like so many other things in boxing. But since you value it so highly, go look at where Ring ranked his opponents at the time of fight, and see for yourself how his resume actually stacks up from the Ring perspective.

You keep trying to pretend I've said Tank sucks or something, because that's a clear straw man. Stop reading more into it. I said he's not a 3 division champion, and he's not. I said he's not fought the top guys since leaving 130, and he hasn't. And I said that we will never know where he stacks up because his resume is lacking, and he plans to retire at the end of the year, and that's what he's said his plans are. I would love for him to finally prove himself by fighting any of Shakur, Loma (if he still wants to fight, and that's gonna have an asterisk because it should have happened 5 years ago), Teo, Haney, or even the winner of Berinchyk v Keyshawn. But he won't. He's a great businessman, and has done very well for himself financially, which was always what he wanted. And he's clearly got the necessary package to be more than he is. But you're deluding yourself if you think he will ever dare to be great by taking on real challenges.