Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder: The damage done and the way forward

[letsgochump]

Wilder didn’t lose to Parker and Zhang because of ”damage” he took against Fury. Unless the damage happened at the same time as the second knockdown of the first fight against Fury. Fury got up and slapped Wilder around when he pushed him. Nobody had really tried it before. Wilder was fine but completely helpless as soon as Fury took the fight to him bcs Wilder never knew how to box.

Wilder was always gonna lose against top opposition, thats why he beat up 40 taxi drivers as a career before losing all his fights against top 20 boxers. The most protected champion of all time. His best win is Luis Ortiz who was pushing 60 years old by the rematch. After Oldtiz the best win is… Robert Helenius?

And Fury looked as good as he ever has since his comeback against Usyk. It’s just not good enough. He played it safe and never tried to push Usyk bcs he didn’t have the gas tank and he was afraid of the return fire from the champ.

Fury’s career was based on winning against Wilder. Besides that his best win is old Wlad who likely had an off night and never got the rematch. The next best claim to fame for Fury is giving Usyk a decent challenge. Besides that a paper thin resume including a split decision against a guy with a 0-0, 0 KOs boxing record.

Both will keep proving this point if they keep fighting. They can look good against no-hopers but top opposition will beat them.

[Bob]

Fury boxed Usyk the right way fight 1 bringing Usyk onto his punches,if his nose wasn't broken in the 8th gassing him it would/could have been a different outcome.
Front foot full sasquatch Fury looked awkward & out of rythm with himself. I could only give Fury 1 round after the 5th & i was trying as a brit to score for him.

The future, Fury v Dubois Parker winner & Aj Wilder, both on the undercard of Usyks next mandatory....who is?

[Froch_uppercut]

Wilder and Fury gave the boxing world three memorable events between 2018 and 2021, yet each has walked away from those fights badly bruised and forever changed.
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What's Wilder's best win? Stiverne?
What's Fury's? Wlad in a snoozefest.
Outside of this the pair of them have done very little of note. Dubois has Hrgovic on his win column, and that's a better W than either of the two hype jobs who got major props for fighting each other, but meanwhile they're both crap.

[Froch_uppercut]

Wilder didn’t lose to Parker and Zhang because of ”damage” he took against Fury. Unless the damage happened at the same time as the second knockdown of the first fight against Fury. Fury got up and slapped Wilder around when he pushed him. Nobody had really tried it before. Wilder was fine but completely helpless as soon as Fury took the fight to him bcs Wilder never knew how to box.

Wilder was always gonna lose against top opposition, thats why he beat up 40 taxi drivers as a career before losing all his fights against top 20 boxers. The most protected champion of all time. His best win is Luis Ortiz who was pushing 60 years old by the rematch. After Oldtiz the best win is… Robert Helenius?

And Fury looked as good as he ever has since his comeback against Usyk. It’s just not good enough. He played it safe and never tried to push Usyk bcs he didn’t have the gas tank and he was afraid of the return fire from the champ.

Fury’s career was based on winning against Wilder. Besides that his best win is old Wlad who likely had an off night and never got the rematch. The next best claim to fame for Fury is giving Usyk a decent challenge. Besides that a paper thin resume including a split decision against a guy with a 0-0, 0 KOs boxing record.

Both will keep proving this point if they keep fighting. They can look good against no-hopers but top opposition will beat them.

Well said. They each got major credit for fighting each other, but the reality is that it was a battle of medicre hw's.

[M312]

I can't understand any boxing fan who thinks Wilder is anything other than average (at best).

He just doesn't have any balance. That's the main thing.
That means, easy to hit, easy to avoid and easy to knock down.
He's awful.

He would never beat anyone with a pulse. He's in 50-50 fights with C class boxers. He's just not good.


Fury, on the other hand, is a big lump. He's a handful.
Usyk didn't find it easy, because of the size difference (but he worked him out and always would).

Now if he were the same size as everyone else, I don't think there's much to him either. But he isn't, so he would always be a problem to solve.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

Ya'll talk all of that shlt about Wilder now , but fail to remember that he defeated the GOAT , the BEST EVER , the Most Greatest , 238 -0 , CHARLIE Z !

[daggum]

"who is considered by most to be the hardest hitter in the heavyweight division in recent generations"

he amazingly ko'd 1 top 10 fighter(ring) his entire career. must be the hardest hitter! is it easier to ko crappy fighters or good fighters? and apparently "most" people think its all the same. a ko is a ko! what completely defeats this kind of thinking is simply looking at what happened when he faced better opposition...the kos mostly went away and dont put him anywhere near the hardest hitter even in his own era

[daggum]

look what happened when wilder fought helenius which was after the fury fights. he ko'd him easily. thats exactly the type of opposition he was facing for 5 straight years. ko'ing weak opposition doesnt mean you will be able to ko the better fighters, and whats so infuriating is that we have the evidence that showed he wasnt able to ko them because it happened! yet hack writers like this are still pretending that reality didnt happen and that wilder really is some kind of huge puncher when that didnt pan out. at this point its just people saying "hes the biggest puncher because i say so" oh yeah wheres your evidence? "did you see all the bums he kod?" yep and did you miss all his other fights against non bums? ..............silence

[crimsonfalcon07]

Neither Wilder nor Fury was ever what the promotional hype machines pretended they were. They were always the product of careful matchmaking and marketing, and particular genetic advantages.

Usyk is the king of the era. Fury, AJ, Parker, and Dubois can fight for second place.

[DougalDylan]

The fury that fought Wilder was a recovering drug addict who looked a pale shadow of his former self against the opponents just previous to Wilder (take a look at Boxrec with who he struggled with) including some journey men. Post Wilder I'd say he's improved back to a top heavyweight, Usyk is just better.