Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder: The damage done and the way forward

[BoxingUpdates]

Wilder and Fury gave the boxing world three memorable events between 2018 and 2021, yet each has walked away from those fights badly bruised and forever changed.
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[Nightfall]

Exactly what I’ve been saying. Fury looked awful in the Wilder rematchs and every fight after. Wilder took damage because a brush of wind can knock him down. That said Fury and feather chin Joshy need to fight now for the Brits and retire

[dft313]

Wilder was always one-dimensional and had been exposed as being a one-trick pony. He was flattered by some of the worst HW opposition in history, while recording his knockout streak. But look what happened when he started facing fighters with solid chins/great recovery and even rudimentary skills: he got beaten or knocked out. It wasn’t that he was faded, he simply stepped up beyond his level.

Fury is more complicated. I’d argue his poor opposition post-Whyte contributed to his inability to beat Usyk in the first fight. He was on top for a good spell and it looked like the knockout was coming. In the rematch, he looked disinterested and stressed by Usyk’s movement. The damage he took in the third Wilder fight in particular has taken a toll, but I’d say it’s his legs that look gone. He was still competitive with Usyk. The rounds were close.

[angkag]

Exactly what I’ve been saying. Fury looked awful in the Wilder rematchs and every fight after. Wilder took damage because a brush of wind can knock him down. That said Fury and feather chin Joshy need to fight now for the Brits and retire

Fury looked his best in Wilder II, then much less effective in Wilder III. Given he didn't take a lot of damage in Wilder II suggests the decline in Wilder III was for reasons other than damage taken. My feeling wa that his preparation for Wilder II was on point as he was mentally on a mission to get the W he was deprived of in the first fight, but the same level og motivation wasn't there for the third. Ditto Ngannou, he wasn't there mentally no matter what he said about his camp.

I've got the feeling that Fury's performance in Usyk II is best compared to Wilder II as on both occasions he was on a mental mission. Fury's performance in Usyk II wasn't that bad, it was just the opponent's style that differed - one a puncher with very average boxing skills and one an elite boxer. My gut is that Fury is still up there, its just that Usyk has his number (and lets remember it was a close fight, not many rounds were decisive either way).

Joshua on the other hand......Styles make fights, and Fury is all worng for Joshua. Joshua has never shown the ability to change tactics during a fight, he ends how he starts whatever happens in the ring. Usyk and Fury can adjust. I think the better boxer wins Fury v Joshua, and that's Fury.

[TMLT87]

Wilder is obviously past his prime but tbh he was always gonna struggle with someone like Parker and even Zhang. I dont think theres really much left for him at this point other than maybe an AJ fight if thats still realistically on the table.

As for Fury, he should fight AJ, and if he wins he should fight Dubois, then retire.

[Toffee]

I'm not really sure what Wilder declined from. What was his level?

Fury's level was all predicated on Wilder being a top guy. He wasn't.

Thankfully Usyk sorted out any argument over who is the best because the others weren't going to.

[hugh grant]

I dont see how wilder should damage Fury? Sure wilder hits hard, but he dont land on you too often. Many of his opponents batter Wilder round after round until Wilder finds the punch.

[MulaKO]

Wilder , Fury and AJ are all crappy fighters who were made up by some crappy characters like Slow Eddie etc etc
They wanted us to believe these were straight up good fighters when in reality they were just the crop of top tier fighters amongst really below average fighters

[STREET CLEANER]

Wilder is done. He doesn't punch in a fight and his reflexes have deteriorated substantially. You can say that Fury won all three fights against him but he was down a total of 4 times in those encounters. To say that Wilder did not leave a lasting impression on Fury is not accurate. Even Fury said that the right hand is very fast and powerful.

[crixus85]

Both Joshua and Fury lost pure and simple to a far superior opponent. Despite having every conceivable advantage over Usyk, they lost all 4 fights. It came as a dramatic shock to both of them, as evidenced by their post fight meltdowns.
in reality, given his enormous size advantage, Fury should never have had any trouble against one trick pony, Wilder, far less being decked 4 times!
As for Joshua, his knockout loss to the morbidly obese substitute, Ruiz, is unforgettable!