Comments Thread For: David Benavidez has theory on why Canelo Alvarez turned down insane offer to face him

[Oracle01]

According to Oracle 01, it was Sampson who deleted the tweet. You are right, I was not in the room when the discussions took place. Incidently, it is clear that Canelo is refusing to fight Benavidez for whatever offers that have been discussed. But Canelo did say he would fight David for 1/4 billion. Like I say it is all about risk vs reward.

Now since you said you are not a Canelo apologist, do you criticize Canelo for pricing himself out of a Benavidez fight?

[Ry92]

Canelo dodged both David's n the organizations let it slide by not stripping canelo of his titles mandatory should mean right away if not the real belt goes to David by default. Canelo knows he can't bully benavidez whos stronger n bigger with power n morrell is too athetic with size as well

[Verus]

Now since you said you are not a Canelo apologist, do you criticize Canelo for pricing himself out of a Benavidez fight?

I would like to see the fight. I think Canelo should have struck a deal to make the fight. But from my perspective, leaning toward libertarian, fighters are free to make their own decisions, based on their self-interest. As the audience, we can respond accordingly. I don't think Canelo is afraid to fight David, per se or vice versa. They are males, but I also believe that for Canelo it makes more economic sense to fight other people and make a ton of money rather than run the risk of being defeated by a much bigger and much younger talent for marginally more money than he would make fighting you or me. That to me at least explains why Saul has demanded a 1/4 of a billion dollars to fight Benavidez. I also understand that Canelo knows he is a walking multi-million dollar enterprise that employs lots of folks when he fights and generates millions for others. This is not just about two guys getting in the ring and throwing punches, it is also about sustaining long-term profits. I didn't criticize Mayweather when folks were blasting him for not fighting Pacquiao when in his prime, and I don't criticize Alvarez for taking this position. I may not like it but I understand it and respect his perspective. At the center of all this is the chaotic boxing enterprise which consists of independent entrepreneur teams each pursuing their self-interest. I am free to tune out as is everyone else.

[Oracle01]

I would like to see the fight. I think Canelo should have struck a deal to make the fight. But from my perspective, leaning toward libertarian, fighters are free to make their own decisions, based on their self-interest. As the audience, we can respond accordingly. I don't think Canelo is afraid to fight David, per se or vice versa. They are males, but I also believe that for Canelo it makes more economic sense to fight other people and make a ton of money rather than run the risk of being defeated by a much bigger and much younger talent for marginally more money than he would make fighting you or me. That to me at least explains why Saul has demanded a 1/4 of a billion dollars to fight Benavidez. I also understand that Canelo knows he is a walking multi-million dollar enterprise that employs lots of folks when he fights and generates millions for others. This is not just about two guys getting in the ring and throwing punches, it is also about sustaining long-term profits. I didn't criticize Mayweather when folks were blasting him for not fighting Pacquiao when in his prime, and I don't criticize Alvarez for taking this position. I may not like it but I understand it and respect his perspective. At the center of all this is the chaotic boxing enterprise which consists of independent entrepreneur teams each pursuing their self-interest. I am free to tune out as is everyone else.

You respect his perspective of holding onto the belts, and not defending them against the top challenger, and in the process robbing a young fighters of his chance of legacy? A young fighter who put his health and life on the line every fight to earn the shot? I'm glad your not a Canelo apologist...lmao.

You are exactly whats wrong with boxing by using every excuse in the book to defend a champion disgracing the sport, and the belts by blatantly ducking an opponent because he is scared to lose. His actions completely undermined the sport and disrespected the fans, yet the brown nosers will still look for every angle to defend it. Pathetic.

[Verus]

You respect his perspective of holding onto the belts, and not defending them against the top challenger, and in the process robbing a young fighters of his chance of legacy? A young fighter who put his health and life on the line every fight to earn the shot? I'm glad your not a Canelo apologist...lmao.

You are exactly whats wrong with boxing by using every excuse in the book to defend a champion disgracing the sport, and the belts by blatantly ducking an opponent because he is scared to lose. His actions completely undermined the sport and disrespected the fans, yet the brown nosers will still look for every angle to defend it. Pathetic.

Look, Canelo did not create the belts, nor does he own them. If he has violated rules imposed by the sanctioning bodies who created and "own" the belts, they should strip them of the belts and award them to someone else. Everything else is just hot air. I am not defending Canelo, nor I am condemning him or any other fighter. The championship belts don't mean squat to me. Nor I am going to get all-a-dither about a game that is not remotely related to real life and the struggles people endure every day. Boxing is just a game, entertainment for the masses as it were. If you think I am what is wrong with boxing, you don't get it. I have no say in the matter. What I think or do has zero impact on the sport. For me, the entertainment is the posters who get all agitated about nothing and think that any of this has any importance in real life. It is all ****** entertainment with no significance beyond that. Sorry if I spoiled your day...get a grip dude.

[White-Bob]

What "insane offer" How much was offered, by whom and when?

Insane for him
For Benny. Insane wold be anything over 25mil

[BlackRobb]

OK listen here I want a clean break in 2025! No more unpaid bets going forward! Lol

I pay confirmed bets. I gave that man my e-mail (something I almost never do online) with the understanding he would use it to confirm the bet. He never gave me his e-mail in return. Why didn't he? Once I gave him my e-mail and never heard from him, I assumed the bet was off. Had Fury won, I wouldn't have gone looking for him because in my mind, he never confirmed. That's how I always done it on Facebook. I lost a $300 bet on Kovale -Ward I and $500 worth of bets on Matthysse-Garcia. Everyone got paid. Why? Because we confirmed the bets.

Ask him why when I gave him my e-mail, he never gave me his too. I'm curious what he will say.

[MulaKO]

Tables aren’t turned though. If you aren’t a proven draw then your margin for error is lower.

Benavidez hasn’t proven he brings in the money so his setbacks mean more. If he didn’t lose his titles the way he did he would have had a much stronger claim.

Is a tough fight for Canelo? Absolutely. He is a naturally bigger man and Canelo is a smaller guy for his recent weights. Bene put himself in a position where Canelo doesn’t need him anymore and unless the Saudi’s come in with a godfather offer then Canelo makes his money no matter who he fights. He’s a made man. Took the risks early in his career and now he’s an older fighter that can call his shots. Don’t hate the player hate the game.

Brother you are just turning the tables
I call bullchit on everything you are saying
If it were the other way you’d be screaming bloody fughin murder
Listen to what your saying and reverse names and comeback and tell me that it’s fair what your saying
Like I said before , I ain’t no Canelo fan or Benny for that matter but what’s good for the geese is good for the gander ???
Right ???
How many years has he been thé mando ???
If the roles were reversed , you and all of Mexico would be on suicide watch
Live with it , your guy doesn’t ( I won’t even say duck ) wanna fight Benny
Don't make it harder than it is

[QballLobo]

Brother you are just turning the tables
I call bullchit on everything you are saying
If it were the other way you’d be screaming bloody fughin murder
Listen to what your saying and reverse names and comeback and tell me that it’s fair what your saying
Like I said before , I ain’t no Canelo fan or Benny for that matter but what’s good for the geese is good for the gander ???
Right ???
How many years has he been thé mando ???
If the roles were reversed , you and all of Mexico would be on suicide watch
Live with it , your guy doesn’t ( I won’t even say duck ) wanna fight Benny
Don't make it harder than it is

If roles were reversed the fight gets made because Canelo is the draw and the champion would be chasing that payday. Benavidez is a good fighter but he hasn’t shown he can bring in the money. That’s why its absurd he thinks him or his team is in a position to make any offers to the top dog. Prize fight game doesn’t work that way which was the point of my original post.

When Floyd was chasing the ODLH fight he didn’t make the offer. He accepted it.

When Canelo wanted the Floyd fight he wasn’t in a position to make an offer. He got off Floyd’s undercard and took a risky fight against an undefeated Trout coming off a win against Cotto and filled up the Alamodome (I was there) and showed he could be a big money fight for the top guy. His own team and Oscar advised him against taking that fight.

Running around crying mandatory shows a lack of understanding of the fight game. They mean nothing to the top guy. Benavidez hurt himself by his own actions. He was on his way to getting what he wants but got in his own way. Now he is in a position of begging for that payday and fighting for short money. That’s on him. Canelo doesn’t need him.

[MulaKO]

If roles were reversed the fight gets made because Canelo is the draw and the champion would be chasing that payday. Benavidez is a good fighter but he hasn’t shown he can bring in the money. That’s why its absurd he thinks him or his team is in a position to make any offers to the top dog. Prize fight game doesn’t work that way which was the point of my original post.

When Floyd was chasing the ODLH fight he didn’t make the offer. He accepted it.

When Canelo wanted the Floyd fight he wasn’t in a position to make an offer. He got off Floyd’s undercard and took a risky fight against an undefeated Trout coming off a win against Cotto and filled up the Alamodome (I was there) and showed he could be a big money fight for the top guy. His own team and Oscar advised him against taking that fight.

Running around crying mandatory shows a lack of understanding of the fight game. They mean nothing to the top guy. Benavidez hurt himself by his own actions. He was on his way to getting what he wants but got in his own way. Now he is in a position of begging for that payday and fighting for short money. That’s on him. Canelo doesn’t need him.

So you refuse to reverse the roles
ok , I’ll play
So why hasn’t Canelo made him an offer
As you pointed he top dog and the man , so why no offer ???
If he made an offer we wouldn’t be discussing this because I’d jump on a Benny’s back because offer it is HE should take it
But still no offer
Why no offer ???