Comments Thread For: Oleksandr Usyk and Vasiliy Lomachenko: Although they 'can more,' they have nothing left to prove

[landotter]

Cannot argue with this article. Even if you fall into the "Lomachenko is overrated" camp- and I think you all are insane, but sure you all do you- he was still must watch when he was in the ring and he brought a style that was all his. The guy was flare and fire and during his fights. Even the loses were freaking fun. Let's not forget, much like Usyk he pushed himself to move up and was fighting a ton of guys bigger than him. I always thought he moved up one division too many. But he wanted to challenge himself and I do believe his overall legacy will be better for it. He can retire right now and he will certainly make the Hall of Fame easily. If his body is failing him, he should just stop as opposed to continue on.

Usyk needs no more discussion. He can fight as long as he wants, suffer a loss, and is still a no brainer, no discussion first ballot Hall of Fame warrior. I have said I hope he fights 2 more times. First, go ahead and dominate DuBois again for the paycheck, to reclaim the undisputed he never should have lost and shut up the 3-4 critics he has. Than a farewell fight close to home against a scrub. Than please retire Mr. Usyk.

[HisExcellency]

After the 2012 Olympics Bob Arum signed Lomachenko and I remember thinking to myself ‘why doesn’t he sign Usyk too?’ At the time, Bob probably didn’t see any money in the Cruiserweight division but I bet he regrets it now!

[hugh grant]

Usyk needs to fight until he's greater than Ali

[Roberto Vasquez]

Usyk is the true king. Loma was ultimately a disappointment after all the hype. I think when he went up in weight and then a few fights later didn't outshine Luke Campbell - was the start of the decline. Some fighters just don't make that step up well. He was just lacking in power too much at the higher weight. If Loma retires - I'll be happy to never hear again about teh Ukranian dancing he did as a kid. Commentators just can't stop telling us that!

I've been saying for a while though that so far all the *top* HW fighters Usyk have fought have been fighters who can be hurt. e.g. AJ, Dubois, Fury. None of whom could really bulldoze Usyk. It would be tough for Usyk if he gets in with someone who can punch *And* is very durable. Chisora at least showed part of that, But I don't see Usyk's legacy being hurt if he loses or gets KO'd. So if he wants to keep fighting - then it's best that he does. Losing is part of fighting when you don't duck people.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Who tf is ordinary???!! Insane take lol.

As the article correctly says, Usyk is not incredibly skilled in any area. He is good in all areas. He is the "finds a way to win" guy. Which is awesome. But if you didn't know Usyk and watched him fight, you'd he underwhelmed with his power, his speed....you'd see he has good defense and feet. But he isn't an exciting or shockingly talented fighter. He just frustrates guys with his toughness.

Loma on the other hand moves like a ballet dancer, makes guys miss from an inch away and beats guys up with clean combos and power, while usually making it look easy. There are Loma haters for sure, but watching the guy was amazing many times.

But I can't argue that he took to long to go pro and injuries and age ruined his chance at being an all timer.

[57Blues]

Is that a joke? Teo beat him str8 up fair and square bumchenko was scared to trade with him. I did score the haney fight in favor of loma but it goes down a loss officially. GGG and Lomachenko are the most overated fighters in the history of the sport if we’re being honest. Like.. Lomachenko lost to journeyman salido and now he duckin the tank fight that everyone been waiting to see. Look at his record. He’s beat no one who’s elite and lost to teo Haney and bum salido and ducked mikey garcia at 135 and now ducking tank. Definition of overated

" Most over rated in Boxing " impossible there have been too many that fit that category to go along with that one.

[j0zef]

Smaller fighters age faster, so if Loma wants to call it quits, he should. Nothing wrong with that, he was always a smaller LW, LWs generally don't fight into late 30s.

Does Loma have something left to prove? Ehh.. Skill wise and eye test wise - no, Loma has nothing left to prove. Watching Loma in his prime has you convinced you're watching a once in a generation type fighter. Resume wise, he has gaps, and unfortunately for him, they're all his fault. I don't hold his loss vs. Salido against him - that can, and has, happened to many fighters. Salido was heavy and fought dirty enough to be DQd. Loma's loss to Teo is inexcusable. I have no idea what he was doing the first 6 rounds. He threw what, 4 punches a round? He demolished Teo in rounds 7-11 coming close to stoppage, until a close 12th round that could have gone either way. Loma said he took the 12th round off, which was absolutely idiotic. He deserved to lose that fight.

Against Haney he got robbed. He fought a top fighter who was significantly bigger than him, and he absolutely deserved the nod. But again, according to him, he was sure he won the fight and he again took the 12th round off.. WHY?? How could you NOT learn from Teo fight that nothing's solved until you get judges scorecards? While I do agree that he got robbed against Haney, but not going all out to leave no doubt is 100% Loma's fault.

Loma's an example of a fighter getting in his own way. If that man had a chance for a do-over of his career, he has a very realistic chance of going down as the greatest to ever lace the gloves.

[IAMTHAT]

lomachenko was never the lineal champion as this article suggests. he was top2 with walters at 126 but they only fought at 130. he was top2 with vargas and berchelt at 130. then at 135 he defeated #2 linares and he was then top2 with mikey, commey and finally lopez. lomachenko - lopez was for the lineal title but neither of them held it before the fight.

i want both usyk and lomachenko to retire asap. they are too old and they have better things to do.

Really you asked them and they told you

[The Common Man]

Taking nothing away from their respectively talent, but the notion that neither of these guys has 'anything left to prove' is ridiculous.

Both mentioned as all-time greats (an accolade that gets thrown around waaaay too much these days). Both have the talent to be competitive in most eras, what made Gretzky, Jordan, Curry, James, Djokovic, and in this context Louis, Holmes, and Holyfield all-time greats was the fact that they sustained it over time. Winning belts and not sustaining the same greatness it took to get them over time doesn't make one an all-time great unfortunately. Getting to the top of the hill and staying there are different.

Nothing else to accomplish and nothing else to prove are different. Certainly under no obligation to do the latter as both had outstanding careers, but there's certainly more both can 'prove'. Holmes beat a still prime Ray Mercer clean at 42 years-old. Holyfield was a Ring Magazine top 5 heavyweight for practically the whole of the '90s. Does Usyk do either? We'll likely never know. Exceptional talent to watch nonetheless.

[JeBron Lamez]

As the article correctly says, Usyk is not incredibly skilled in any area. He is good in all areas. He is the "finds a way to win" guy. Which is awesome. But if you didn't know Usyk and watched him fight, you'd he underwhelmed with his power, his speed....you'd see he has good defense and feet. But he isn't an exciting or shockingly talented fighter. He just frustrates guys with his toughness.

Loma on the other hand moves like a ballet dancer, makes guys miss from an inch away and beats guys up with clean combos and power, while usually making it look easy. There are Loma haters for sure, but watching the guy was amazing many times.

But I can't argue that he took to long to go pro and injuries and age ruined his chance at being an all timer.

Didn't watch the WBSS or the Bellew fight, huh?