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  • #11
    Originally posted by famicommander View Post

    If Parker beats Dubois that's a good name to add. Parker would be a 2X heavyweight titlist who had a late career resurgence in that case.

    If Opetaia finishes his business at cruiserweight without a loss and moves up, there's some intrigue there.

    A second win over Dubois couldn't hurt either, and may age even better depending on what Dubois does with the rest of his career.

    The other "champs" of this era (Wilder, Ruiz, Martin [lol]) are too used up to be of value.
    Don't get me wrong, I'll watch. And a decent reign against good opponents will always be credible. But it's hard to imagine he fights too many more times to make it worthwhile.

    ​​​​​Will obviously never happen now but, ironically I still think Wilder may have had the best chance.

    No boxing, he'd win zero rounds, just loading up from range. He'd miss more than he'd land, but one punch might have done it. No-one is outboxing Usyk at Heavyweight. The guy who doesn't even try might have been the best chance.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

      Crawford beating Canelo at 168 would potentially be one of greatest wins ever. Also don’t see it happening FTR.

      Love Inoue but not sure he has the contemporaries to get to that sort of level but who knows. Shame there isn’t a dominant featherweight champion for him to try and conquer.
      Omar Narvaez and Adrian Hernandez are super underrated early career wins for Inoue in my opinion.

      Narvaez had won a belt at 108 and defended it 16 times, moved up and won a belt at 112 and defended it 11 times, was the clear #1 at the time of the Inoue fight, and to that point his only loss was to Donaire at 118.

      Hernandez was also the clear #1 at the time and was in his 2nd reign with 6 successful defenses when Inoue stopped him.
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      • #13
        Originally posted by Toffee View Post

        Don't get me wrong, I'll watch. And a decent reign against good opponents will always be credible. But it's hard to imagine he fights too many more times to make it worthwhile.

        ​​​​​Will obviously never happen now but, ironically I still think Wilder may have had the best chance.

        No boxing, he'd win zero rounds, just loading up from range. He'd miss more than he'd land, but one punch might have done it. No-one is outboxing Usyk at Heavyweight. The guy who doesn't even try might have been the best chance.
        Anyone else just feels like another title defence at this point. But in fairness, beating ranked contenders can only be a positive.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Toffee View Post
          Moving through lower weight classes doesn't compare, for me, to moving from Cruiserweight to Heavyweight, and especially not with the size of some of the guys he's fought.

          It's incredible and I can't see how his resume really gets improved.

          Dubois, Joshua (x2), Fury (x2). Who else improves his resume?
          Usyk can add more depth to his resume. Because although usyk best fury, there's no guarantee fury would best zhang, bakole, Parker etc.
          Usyk with more depth to resume will have stronger case for GOAT.
          But usyk is old now needs to do it next year, 2 big fights. Then retirement fight 2026

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Groin Grabber View Post
            Better than froid and roid Jones. No enhancements needed for usyk.


            youre a dumbass if you think hes clean and 38 with that level of stamina.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by famicommander View Post
              Omar Narvaez and Adrian Hernandez are super underrated early career wins for Inoue in my opinion.

              Narvaez had won a belt at 108 and defended it 16 times, moved up and won a belt at 112 and defended it 11 times, was the clear #1 at the time of the Inoue fight, and to that point his only loss was to Donaire at 118.

              Hernandez was also the clear #1 at the time and was in his 2nd reign with 6 successful defenses when Inoue stopped him.
              Narvaez looked very elderly in that Inoue fight. I put that in a similar category to Cotto beating Martinez tbh. Maybe not quite that bad but he was definitely past his best.

              It’s a shame there isn’t a natural rival for Inoue at the moment, hopefully Nakatani can maybe be that guy or possibly Bam Rodriguez in a few years.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by famicommander View Post
                I still think Naoya Inoue and Terence Crawford are right there in the mix with him.

                If Crawford somehow beats Canelo (I don't think he will), that might be a wrap. That'd make him a 4 division lineal champ (only Floyd and Manny have done it) and a 5 division world titlist (only Hearns, Leonard, De La Hoya, Floyd, and Manny have done it).

                And Inoue is in his prime right now. Already a comparable resume and he figures to have many more fights ahead of him than Usyk or Crawford.
                That’s because you started following boxing yesterday.

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                • #18
                  Usyk is turning 38 next month. I think he was two or three at most fights in him left. To leave no "what if's" before he retires, he should fight Zhang, Parker and Dubois (rematch) in 2025. He'd be considered one of the best of all time if he does.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by famicommander View Post
                    Omar Narvaez and Adrian Hernandez are super underrated early career wins for Inoue in my opinion.

                    Narvaez had won a belt at 108 and defended it 16 times, moved up and won a belt at 112 and defended it 11 times, was the clear #1 at the time of the Inoue fight, and to that point his only loss was to Donaire at 118.

                    Hernandez was also the clear #1 at the time and was in his 2nd reign with 6 successful defenses when Inoue stopped him.
                    Superrrrr underrated dude

                    You’re the same clown who said beating Ricky Burns and RAY BELTRAN is elite

                    Oh yeah and Danny Jacob’s “run” (could it even be called a run) was “special” with the absolute earth shattering wins against the likes of Sergio Mora, Caleb Truax and Peter Quillen

                    You’re clueless. Literally no idea what you’re watching or following.
                    Last edited by IronDanHamza; 12-21-2024, 08:38 PM.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

                      Superrrrr underrated dude

                      You’re the same clown who said beating Ricky Burns and RAY BELTRAN is elite

                      Oh yeah and Danny Jacob’s “run” (could it even be called a run) was “special” with the absolute earth shattering wins against the likes of Sergio Mora, Caleb Truax and Peter Quillen

                      You’re clueless. Literally no idea what you’re watching or following.
                      You're an obsessive weirdo, but what else is new.

                      I noticed you didn't have much to say after the scorecards on the Usyk fight. Threw a hissyfit over my 118-110 card and then the AI card came back 118-112 and the judges cards came back 116-112.

                      But, of course, you never post your cards in real time. Because you're a coward who simply wants to be able to craft his narrative of the fight after the fact.

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