Are the World Title's in the Super 6 meaningless !!!!

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I think it brings more prestige to the tournament honestly. And no, the sanctioning bodies have given their blessings so to speak for the titlists to go through the tournament without fighting mandatories but that's mainly because the guys with the titles will fight guys that are ranked in the top 10 by the sanctioning bodies.

[thewinfella]

Firstly there are no mandatory obligatons until the Tournament ends.

And secondly, I think the titles are worthless when considering the tournament will establish a champion. But the titles do add glamour to bouts...and of course people will want to become a 'world champion' by claiming a belt along the way.

I've stopped paying any respect to any of the four titles anymore. I try my best to recognise one lineal champion in each division. This tournament should clear that up for the SMW division with Calzaghe's retirement.

Thanks for clearing the Madatory one up !!!!!

Really good reply i agree with all of the above !!!!

[thewinfella]

No, they give you an idea of who the top 4-5 fighters in a division are. Even the winner of the tourney may not be the clear cut best at SMW. Some ppl will still wonder how the winner would do against Bute if he beats Andrade and remains unbeaten getting wins over the next 2 years. What if Allan Green gets some good wins in this span of time or someone else emerges as a top contender at SMW?......this doesn't solve very much though I look forward to great fights that are evenly matched. They didn't pick the right combination of fighters for the tourney to determine a clear cut #1 at SMW.

Really , mmmmmmmm....... interesting !!!

Who would have made your line up ??????????????

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Really , mmmmmmmm....... interesting !!!

Who would have made your line up ??????????????

Kessler and Froch are obvious picks they have to be in there. I would have had Bute and Andrade settle their rematch in the tourney. I also would have had Allan Green and either Bika or Ward would be fine if I have to stick with the six man robin style construct......no way I put Dirrell in, he has no notable wins at all even though he appears to have skills. Taylor has 1 win out of his last 4 where he was ko'd in two of those fights, and AA is untested on an elite level which I made a thread all about here.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312825

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Dirrell is Froch`s mandatory for the WBC belt.

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Dirrell is Froch`s mandatory for the WBC belt.

That's true, but the WBC said they would not force him to make a mandatory defense after that.

[thewinfella]

Kessler and Froch are obvious picks they have to be in there. I would have had Bute and Andrade settle their rematch in the tourney. I also would have had Allan Green and either Bika or Ward would be fine if I have to stick with the six man robin style construct......no way I put Dirrell in, he has no notable wins at all even though he appears to have skills. Taylor has 1 win out of his last 4 where he was ko'd in two of those fights, and AA is untested on an elite level which I made a thread all about here.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=312825

Well lets look at market ability , Abraham is an undefeated middleweight champion with 10 straight defences under his belt he for me is a no brainer , Allan Green , well Allan Green is a fighter the boxing may faithfull may know but you ask the general public who Allan Green is they will reply Allan who ???? , and to put up an argument saying Direll has fought nobody and say you would include Green is pretty hypocritical as Green's resume is far from great with a loss to Miranda !!!!!!

You have a fair point on Bika , but Bika we have seen and heard him before , he is old news .

Me personally i think they have picked exactly the right people with varying marketing angles and different styles and from different country's .

Id have changed one thing , id have put Pavlik in for either Ward or Dirrell probably Ward , but hey Bob Arum has his own agenda for KP !!!!!!

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Well lets look at market ability , Abraham is an undefeated middleweight champion with 10 straight defences under his belt he for me is a no brainer , Allan Green , well Allan Green is a fighter the boxing may faithfull may know but you ask the general public who Allan Green is they will reply Allan who ???? , and to put up an argument saying Direll has fought nobody and say you would include Green is pretty hypocritical as Green's resume is far from great with a loss to Miranda !!!!!!

You have a fair point on Bika , but Bika we have seen and heard him before , he is old news .

Me personally i think they have picked exactly the right people with varying marketing angles and different styles and from different country's .

Id have changed one thing , id have put Pavlik in for either Ward or Dirrell probably Ward , but hey Bob Arum has his own agenda for KP !!!!!!

They were chosen primarily for marketability, most of the fighters I would have wanted are not American and the ones who are, are unknown. Ward and Dirrell are U.S Olympians, they always have gotten special treatment in boxing and it is the primary reason why they are in the tourney. The point of this was to prove without a doubt who the best SMW in the world is. I don't think the participants for this can sufficiently do this, but it beats watching all of them beat up cans and mando-cans.

[thewinfella]

They were chosen primarily for marketability, most of the fighters I would have wanted are not American and the ones who are, are unknown. Ward and Dirrell are U.S Olympians, they always have gotten special treatment in boxing and it is the primary reason why they are in the tourney. The point of this was to prove without a doubt who the best SMW in the world is. I don't think the participants for this can sufficiently do this, but it beats watching all of them beat up cans and mando-cans.

Id say marketability and potential are the main two when considering Ward & Dirrell , you are making a pretty big argument for a pretty big nobody in my eyes with Green .

Who ever comes out of this tourney a winner will in my eyes will be the number 1 fighter @167 probably primed and ready for a super bout with Pavlik should Arum have his way and or Williams doesnt put pay to that one !!!!

To say that a potential winner among this calibre of fighter and in this format is not the number 1 in the world because they wont have fought Bute or Andrade is way way wide of the mark !!!!!!!!!

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Id say marketability and potential are the main two when considering Ward & Dirrell , you are making a pretty big argument for a pretty big nobody in my eyes with Green .

Who ever comes out of this tourney a winner will in my eyes will be the number 1 fighter @167 probably primed and ready for a super bout with Pavlik should Arum have his way and or Williams doesnt put pay to that one !!!!

To say that a potential winner among this calibre of fighter and in this format is not the number 1 in the world because they wont have fought Bute or Andrade is way way wide of the mark !!!!!!!!!

Pavlik is not in the equation right now and not worthy of discussion here. Green is at least as deserving as Ward or Dirrell and certainly more than Taylor at this point to have been in the tourney. After the tourney the Bute/Andrade winner will still be out there presuming he doesn't get derailed at some point he will still be able to make a solid argument that no one can claim to be the best until they beat him. You keep referring to finance and notoriety but these things having nothing to do with quality of fighters and athletic performance. Just because a fighter is unknown does not mean he could not the best fighter is the world. Take Pavlik for instance I would favor most of the fighters we talked about to beat him easily.