Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury promises less clowning, more punches in Usyk rematch

[turnedup]

I've never thought Fury did enough to be considered levels above the rest.

His performance v Usyk was good, but it's being massively overrated. He was good, but don't let a split decision fool you into thinking it was too close to call. I thought it was easy to call and the much better fighter won.

Fury came out aggressively and Usyk sent him backwards within 20 seconds. Fury made adjustments and had some success but then Usyk adjusted and ran him over in the second half of the fight.

Usyk's performances against Fury and Joshua have been outstanding. As good as anything we've seen in the heavyweights in a long time.

But who did Fury beat to cement his place as being clearly better than the rest? I don't see it.

He won over the fans of trolling. There was never anything special about fury outside of his movement around the ring. I challenge anyone to a debate of this. Man’s offense is pure trash and very reliant on tiring out smaller men smothering and leaning on them.

[Liondw]

Fury has the tools to comfortably win. Having said that, he has lapses in defence and Usyk exploited that in the last few rounds.

If he hurts Usyk as he did in the first fight, go after him more aggressively. It's tricky though, as Usyk knows how to counter and recover.

These are the two best heavyweights, even though it's not a great era of heavyweights.

[PRINCEKOOL]

People need to understand that? Tyson Fury at times was acting this way during the fight vs Oleksandr Uysk I 'Because he found the challenge of out boxing Uysk, very difficult. That kind of behaviour from Tyson Fury, was just a self motivating mechanism, to reassure himself that he was on top in the fight'.

It may have fooled certain observers to the sport and sections of the media at the time 'But from my perspective, how I deciphered that behaviour from Fury? Was that Tyson Fury may have been boxing well, but he was having to put in a extreme effort. The level of effort he was producing, was not sustainable at some point Fury was going to fall away in the fight. And when we all look back in retrospect upon the fight, that is exactly what happened in the action. By the middle rounds of the fight, I could honestly pretty much detect that Tyson Fury was done'.

A true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighter, in my opinion does not fight or behave that way vs Uysk 'Oleksandr Uysk is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing, and pound for pound 'His wins over both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, are the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'. But I believe the genuine all-time great super heavyweight fighters of the sport, would not find such a stylistic encounter a mighty struggle to the same level that both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua have thus far in their careers.

Tyson Fury at no point of the fight, was in complete control 'Like you would expect, a true all-time great heavyweight to be vs Oleksandr Uysk I. Uysk is a classical physique style Heavyweight fighter, and his best attribute's are not his brute strength or punching power. Uysk was being outweighed by more than 40 + pounds, stylistically? A true all-time great Super Heavyweight should of found the challenge of fighting Oleksandr Uysk quite straight forward in my opinion'.

Tyson Fury stated this before the fight, historically in the Heavyweight Division 'Stylistically whenever two great fighters, apparently who are almost equal in skill level and overall ability collide, but in terms of physique one of those fighters was a Super Heavyweight fighter. The Super Heavyweight fighter has won the higher percentage of those match ups'.

But the big issue Tyson Fury had coming into this match up, was that 'Pound for pound he is nowhere near the athlete of Oleksandr Uysk. And skill for skill Uysk is also a by far superior fighter. This left Tyson Fury and his hardcore fans clinging to the fact that he was a Super Heavyweight fighter, as his only real advantage in the fight'.

Tyson Fury as a amateur fighter, did not win any real international titles 'Fury never won any medals at the European or World Championships. And he did not win a Olympic title. Tyson Fury's greatest achievement as a amateur fighter, was being beaten by David Price in a competitive fight'.

People who know boxing, and have observed Tyson Fury's entire career 'Know what I am saying is correct. While fighters such as David Haye, and Carl Froch launched their professional boxing careers, off the back of solid amateur campaigns. Tyson Fury was not really operating at that level'.

Note: The World Amateur boxing championship was first held in 1974, both Haye and Froch were the first British World Amateur boxing medalist in 2001. David Haye won a Silver Medal, and Carl Froch in the same Championships won the Bronze Medal. David Haye in 2002 also won the Bronze Medal at Commonwealth Games, Haye could of progressed further in those Championships but chose to retire from the tournament due to a injury he had sustained'.

David Haye during the 2001 World Amateur boxing Championships, was only beaten by Odlanier Solis Fonte in a high octane competitive fight 'Solis was a great Cuban Amateur fighter who would progress forward in his career and win the Olympic Title during the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens'.

In comparison Tyson Fury launched his professional boxing career, off the back of being beaten by David Price 'And this is no disrespect? Because at the time David Price was a commonwealth bronze medallist, and one of the top Amateur Super Heavyweight fighters in the build up to the 2008 Olympics'.

The main point I am trying to make is? Tyson Fury for the large majority of his boxing career, was never deemed as super great skill for skill boxer. This narrative and stereotype was only bestow upon him, after he fought and beat Wladimir Kiltschko. In a underwhelming fight, YES it was great win in terms of historical significance. But the actual action of the fight, in my opinion has been throughout the years completely overrated'.

Tyson Fury was backed up all night by Wladimir Kiltschko, at no point in the fight was Kiltschko being beaten up. Tyson Fury riddled his way to win, that is most accurate way I can describe his performance. Tyson Fury never rematch Wladimir Kiltschko, as Fury pulled out of the scheduled rematch twice. Unfortunately due to his then circumstance. 'Which was a great injustice, that a Champion with the prestige and esteem of Kiltschko was not given his opportunity to win his titles back vs Tyson Fury II'.

SO, for 9 years since Tyson Fury fought Wladimir Kiltschko 'Fury never fought a elite level heavyweight fighter, in terms of pure technical boxing ability. Deontay Wilder was a elite level fight and challenge, but he was not a elite level fighter in terms of his pure skill for skill technical ability'.

And during the build up to the first Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk I fight, I continuedly made this point. Tyson Fury in comparison to Oeksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua, is a inexperienced fighter at competing at World and Elite Level. Tyson Fury was not a elite level amateur fighter, and during his professional career? 90% of his fights on his resume outside of his fights vs Deontay Wilder and Wladimir Kiltschko, have been at domestic and high end European level. Those are just the objective facts of Tyson Fury' resume'.

Tyson Fury for the first time in his career, is competing skill for skill against a superior fighter. Uysk is also pound for pound a superior athlete 'Fury has historically been renowned for his ability to acutely adapt during fights. But when he was smashed up by Oleksandr Uysk I, during round 9 of their first fight. Tyson Fury in the following rounds, did not make any fight altering adjustments, and he did not win the 12 th round'.

To conclude: Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'Is still a close fight to call. Why would it not be? Tyson Fury is Super Heavyweight fighter, who could potentially outweigh Uysk by way over 40 + pounds. And regardless of what I have stated in this posts, I still rate Tyson Fury as a complete fighter. I know Fury has the ability to fight in all areas of the boxing game'.

But if Tyson Fury's tactics are too bull Oleksandr Uysk II, wade forward and attempt to put serious pressure upon him 'If Fury has not hurt or decked Uysk by the middle rounds of fight. I think the fight may fall away from Fury, potentially in a more dramatic fashion than the first fight'.

Tyson Fury skill for skill, and from a share physiological perspective vs Oleksandr Uysk I 'Pretty much fought his best overall boxing fight since Wladimir Kiltschko. In comparison, Oleksandr Uysk in my opinion has executed better fights in his heavyweight career. The versions of Oleksandr Uysk who fought Anthony Joshua twice, clearly in my opinion was having to operate at a higher level to win both of those fights. The statistics of the two Anthony Joshua fights, clearly support that statement of mine'.

Overall it is a very intriguing fight, and a pivotal moment in Tyson Fury's career 'Fury is only one fight, and potentially one loss away from being in worst position than Anthony Joshua. Tyson Fury if he loses to Oleksandr Uysk II for the second time, in reality he has lost his last three fights in his career. This is the highest jeopardy contest Tyson Fury has ever been involved in during his Heavyweight career. Win or lose, I expect a great effort from Tyson Fury' etc.

[GhostofDempsey]

He had no stamina, and I have to wonder if he can get it back. Usyk will pressure him for 12 rounds. Big guys like Fury suffer more wear and tear to the joints, hips, knees, etc. I don't think he can move like he did even a few years ago. Unless he lands something big I can't see him winning a decision over Usyk.

[billeau2]

Wow a lot of people counting Fury out! Interesting... I actually listen to Usyk because he is honest, in addition to being quite refreshing. He stated unequivocally that Fury was very tough, lot tougher than Joshua. He had no motivation to do so, this was his observation. I also caught a glimpse of his face when Fury was having success and he looked bad... Like he was having difficulty.

I then say to myself "that last fight was close, could really have gone either way." Then I look at how Tyson has made adjustments, his skill sets, and compare this to Usyk... Whom also has made adjustments, and shown a lot of range... I think this next fight will be close, but I think Fury will win it. Usyk got the benefit of Fury making a bad decision: to try not to take a knee. It made Fury look really bad, vulnerable... Like a big bald headed beeeby, with two arses and a diaper! But at the end of the day? both guys had their moments. Neither really dominated... I can certainly see giving it to Usyk, I would have been satisfied with a draw, or even a Tyson victory as well...

Finally when people talk about what Fury will do: All he needs is to condition himself to fight two extra rounds tooth and nail. If he had done so? maybe he couldn't, but is that a lot to have to prepare for? Fury is getting older, but he has the size and reach. So to me it equals out and Fury is not shot just yet, though I don't think he should be fighting a puncher like Bakole at this stage of his career.

Usyk has to be able to duplicate that performance and find Tyson in another "slip" of judgement... Will that be as easy as people think?

[billeau2]

He had no stamina, and I have to wonder if he can get it back. Usyk will pressure him for 12 rounds. Big guys like Fury suffer more wear and tear to the joints, hips, knees, etc. I don't think he can move like he did even a few years ago. Unless he lands something big I can't see him winning a decision over Usyk.

Yup-, agree on the size... It is murderous carrying that weight... Whether it be muscle, or fat! But Fury traditionally has a good engine. I do believe with his aerobic capacity what he needs to do is train specifically to literally fight two more hard punching rounds. If Fury does not get caught in a bad round and fights hard a few more rounds he may have won the first fight. To me those are attainable training goals, even for a Gypsy King who likes a malt liquor beverage now and then... maybe more now than then?

[Toffee]

Fury has the tools to comfortably win. Having said that, he has lapses in defence and Usyk exploited that in the last few rounds.

If he hurts Usyk as he did in the first fight, go after him more aggressively. It's tricky though, as Usyk knows how to counter and recover.

These are the two best heavyweights, even though it's not a great era of heavyweights.

He hurt Usyk? One uppercut in the 6th made Usyk step back before coming forward again. It's a fight; it's not like you're never going to take a punch.

If that was the big highlight, then how much more can seriously be expected?

Apparently he just needs to go to the body. Well he hit Usyk in the body in the first fight. Did it damage Usyk? It didn't even slow him down!

[nghtmr111]

I've never thought Fury did enough to be considered levels above the rest.

But who did Fury beat to cement his place as being clearly better than the rest? I don't see it.

Been saying this for years… I actually think Fury is criminally overrated.

[champion4ever]

Fury has never faced anyone as good as Oleksandr.Usyk before. Therefore, I have this eery feeling that Usyk stops him this time.

Fury’s aggression; Especially if he overly commits on his punches. Will leave him both vulnerable and open for Usyk’s counters.

Another reason why I see him losing is because he has never lost before, Also, we’ve never seen him this eager, impatient, focused and overconfident for any of his return bouts. It has been delay delay.

After his Draw with Wilder; It took him more than 14 months to get back into the ring with him. Also it took nearly two years to rematch him after their second bout.

[BustedKnuckles]

Fury will either TKO or get the decision this time. I had him beating the Russian by 4 points last time. This time it will be easier for him

I didnt even look notice your name when browsing the posts. But when the post called Usyk a Russian, i knew only one ignoramous would do that, vitaly.