Let's talk blocked punches that hurt you anyways ...

[Superbee]

"The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score."

https://www.abcboxing.com/ring-offic...ation-program/

From the ABC.

They don't count. End of story.
Stop making up rules just to suit your fanboy agenda.

I get that... I know that... My point is why score a knock down from a blocked punch then ? I know it almost never happens, but with guys like Beterbiev it could absolutely be a thing... Just thinking here ...

[M312]

I get that... I know that... My point is why score a knock down from a blocked punch then ? I know it almost never happens, but with guys like Beterbiev it could absolutely be a thing... Just thinking here ...

You're imagining something that never happened nor came close to happening.

Relax.

[billeau2]

"The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score."

https://www.abcboxing.com/ring-offic...ation-program/

From the ABC.

They don't count. End of story.
Stop making up rules just to suit your fanboy agenda.

Lol you have to make this about someone's agenda. I mean it is a good question. You are just too much of a moron to appreciate it.

First of all: No judge can actually see how a punch lands in many cases. So, in point of fact? many punches are scored based on... Thats right, damage imagined, or otherwise. The hand is a lot quicker than the eye, and the ability of fighters to make punches not land clean is an art in itself, and NO JUDGE can tell the difference.

Sometimes a punch lands, a head snaps back, sweat flies, etc... Some indication that a punch landed cleanly. How does one even know when a jab has been deflected, or scores half the time?

The reality is, whether judges try to score things a certain way, or not, most punches are judged partially on their impact alone. Deal with it! And in professional prize fighting, doing damage is an objective... Again whether judges acknowledge it as a rule, or not. it is part of the game, has been for many years!

Want an example of the contradiction? Punch stats. They shouldn't matter if only clean, legal punches are scored... But they matter.

[M312]

Lol you have to make this about someone's agenda. I mean it is a good question. You are just too much of a moron to appreciate it.

First of all: No judge can actually see how a punch lands in many cases. So, in point of fact? many punches are scored based on... Thats right, damage imagined, or otherwise. The hand is a lot quicker than the eye, and the ability of fighters to make punches not land clean is an art in itself, and NO JUDGE can tell the difference.

Sometimes a punch lands, a head snaps back, sweat flies, etc... Some indication that a punch landed cleanly. How does one even know when a jab has been deflected, or scores?

The reality is, whether judges try to score things a certain way, or not, most punches are judged partially on their impact alone. Deal with it!

If the judge thinks it's blocked, they can't/shouldn't score it. Really shouldn’t be so difficult to understand... unless they are a moron like yourself who obviously desperately wants to score it.

[billeau2]

I get that... I know that... My point is why score a knock down from a blocked punch then ? I know it almost never happens, but with guys like Beterbiev it could absolutely be a thing... Just thinking here ...

It is a great question... And rule books are great but sometimes do not actually describe all of reality. Want another example? Read the definition of a "fumble" in football and watch how many times refs contradict this rule and call a fumble. Punches, whether real, or imagined, are quicker than anyone's eyes. Judges have to rely on the effect of a punch! whether they like it or not! And damage is a scoring criteria in professional prize fighting. Damage that is caused legally is damage, so, guess what? If marciano breaks my arm with a punch and all else is considered equal that round, First: like KO if my arm is really broken I lose, if my arm is hurt and nothing else happened that round judges are well within their rights to give the round to marciano. Not in Olympic boxing... But yes in professional boxing.

[billeau2]

If the judge thinks it's blocked, they can't/shouldn't score it. Really shouldn’t be so difficult to understand... unless they are a moron like yourself who obviously desperately wants to score it.

Your thinking narrowly and then castigating others who are thinking creatively. A Judge cannot reason what they do not know... Punches are not really blocked in boxing, they are thrown and a person is in position defending more vital targets, moving, or parrying, it is not a martial arts form. Whether this punch reaches a vital target is only ONE issue involved with scoring... If the punch causes damage, it is something tangible the judges will see, hence they will incorporate it precisely because of this reason... Not so if it is illegal, but so if the punch has impact that causes damage. HOW they score it is subjective, it may not be valued so much under some circumstances and very much so in other circumstances. If I KO you with a shot to your guard that rebounds, it is a KO...

The reason for this is simple: the judges are totally reliant on the effects of punches. They may not even know if a punch is "blocked" as you say. Physiologically judges cannot judge punches any other way consistently, with the exception of the occasional clean shot that is obvious.

[M312]

Your thinking narrowly and then castigating others who are thinking creatively. A Judge cannot reason what they do not know... Punches are not really blocked in boxing, they are thrown and a person is in position defending more vital targets, moving, or parrying, it is not a martial arts form. Whether this punch reaches a vital target is only ONE issue involved with scoring... If the punch causes damage, it is something tangible the judges will see, hence they will incorporate it precisely because of this reason... Not so if it is illegal, but so if the punch has impact that causes damage. HOW they score it is subjective, it may not be valued so much under some circumstances and very much so in other circumstances. If I KO you with a shot to your guard that rebounds, it is a KO...

The reason for this is simple: the judges are totally reliant on the effects of punches. They may not even know if a punch is "blocked" as you say. Physiologically judges cannot judge punches any other way consistently, with the exception of the occasional clean shot that is obvious.

No, if you think it is blocked it is not a scoring punch. It's simple. It's really not as difficult as you make it out to be.

Do not make up or imagine whether it hurts or not.

I hope to the boxing gods that judges do not do this.

Boxing forums...

I'm done with this convo with you anyway, have a good night. Please don't reply with some sort of childish insult, I'm too old and tired for that. Can already see it coming.... 3... 2...

[_Rexy_]

They say that Bivol's defense was masterful and only 20% of the punches actually landed


yet if they were to fight right now, I guarantee Bivol is worse for wear. Beterbiev is posting selfies in Mecca lol

[billeau2]

No, if you think it is blocked it is not a scoring punch. It's simple. It's really not as difficult as you make it out to be.

Do not make up or imagine whether it hurts or not.

I hope to the boxing gods that judges do not do this.

Boxing forums...

I'm done with this convo with you anyway, have a good night. Please don't reply with some sort of childish insult, I'm too old and tired for that. Can already see it coming.... 3... 2...

I did not say If I think, I said what we can know about a punch, and I buttressed this with a clarification of "blocking" a punch. Judges have certain information to go on, it is as simple as that. They can only reason from the information they have... which to you seems to mean they are imagining something.

I only insulted you because you ridiculed the OP by deciding to close an issue based on your opinion. Your opinion is valid, it is not the final world in this debate, if everyone did this we would still be living in huts and piss ing on trees... "Sand that can harden in the sun? get outta here with that baloney! don't be silly (concrete)..." You know? that kind of attitude.

Other than that I have no beef, just disagree on how much a de facto rule applies when deciding the issue of damaging punches to the body, but that occur on the arms... Which is part of the body.

[_Rexy_]

I get that... I know that... My point is why score a knock down from a blocked punch then ? I know it almost never happens, but with guys like Beterbiev it could absolutely be a thing... Just thinking here ...

Canelo got 5 rounds for hitting Bivol's arms while actively getting outboxed and countered to ****.

But yeah, THIS is a robbery.