Comments Thread For: Eddie Hearn believes Devin Haney's lawsuit against Ryan Garcia could be 'a pivotal moment for the sport'

[LAchargers373]

How hard is it to write into a contract that irrespective of the result, any fighter testing positive after the match and without proof of accidental contamination forfeits all financial remuneration, plus 20% to the negative testing fighter and cops a standard 1 years suspension that includes posting on social media ?

Imagine Ryan knowing it was gonna cost him a fortune, his livelihood for a year and his fame from the outset.

That would mean proving he knowingly and purposefully injested a substantial amount of PEDS that affected the outcome of the fight. The trace amounts found, even if a court acknowledged the lawsuit.l, would not be enough to cross the threshold to prove that it would inflict all the damages the haneys are suing for. Devin is finished in the sport this lawsuit proves that him and his crook father know it too

[GoonFace9917]

Pivotal? Eddie Hearn is a Fibber

[pollywog]

That would mean proving he knowingly and purposefully injested a substantial amount of PEDS that affected the outcome of the fight. The trace amounts found, even if a court acknowledged the lawsuit.l, would not be enough to cross the threshold to prove that it would inflict all the damages the haneys are suing for. Devin is finished in the sport this lawsuit proves that him and his crook father know it too

It would mean the penalties kick in and you're guilty until you can prove yourself innocent.

SuperSamoan Mark Hunt took Brock Lesnar and Dana White's UFC to court for the same thing and got nowhere.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2023/09/ufc-news-mark-hunt-lawsuit-against-dana-white-brock-lesnar-dismissed-again

If you knew the penalty beforehand i reckon you'd think twice about trying it on and hoping you can bribe, blag and bluster your way out of it after the fact.

[Corelone]

Who does Eddy want to sue? It sounds like he's planning to fix a case, I mean make a case.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Sleazy Eddie is about to cash AJ out when he is already at this age showing major decline in skills and punch resistance and should be retired before he suffers more brain damage.

I'm sure he really cares about Haney and believes in the lawsuit. Because he would get a nice chunk of the money.

Eddie Hearn makes other promoters look like Michael Landon from Highway to Heaven. Just a real P O S.

[LAchargers373]

It would mean the penalties kick in and you're guilty until you can prove yourself innocent.

SuperSamoan Mark Hunt took Brock Lesnar and Dana White's UFC to court for the same thing and got nowhere.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2023/09/ufc-news-mark-hunt-lawsuit-against-dana-white-brock-lesnar-dismissed-again

If you knew the penalty beforehand i reckon you'd think twice about trying it on and hoping you can bribe, blag and bluster your way out of it after the fact.

No you’re just an idiot lol. My wife is an immigration lawyer any contract like you are stating is basically unenforceable as to multiple ways out. The onus is on proving that the person knowingly to PEDS and that’s never happened unless the person admitted to it

[Doubledagger]

No you’re just an idiot lol. My wife is an immigration lawyer any contract like you are stating is basically unenforceable as to multiple ways out. The onus is on proving that the person knowingly to PEDS and that’s never happened unless the person admitted to it

The burden of proof on a civil case is a balance of probabilities as opposed to a “beyond reasonable doubt” like it is in criminal court.

So it should not be that hard to prove, especially because this ostarine allegedly helps with cutting weight rapidly without losing significant muscle.

That is exactly what Ryan was struggling with, cutting weight without draining himself, hence not making the weight.

So what are the chances that he didn’t take it intentionally knowing for a fact that the benefits of that drug are exactly what he was struggling to achieve?

on a balance of probabilities, which is the standard for civil lawsuits, Ryan is guilty as hell.

[billeau2]

there was already a contractual clause to handle the event of being overweight and Haney agreed to it twice. he agreed to the penalties in the initial contract should it happen and then he agreed to it a second time when he decided to go forward with the fight when ryan came in over weight.


As for the PED tests, well i guess that is what kind of burden of proof does haney have to show? its not criminal, its civil so how does haney show that its more likely than not that Ryan knew he was taking PEDs? he has to show some kind of proof in court and ryan is the one that would have any proof, so they have to request it from him. would the court require him to provide phone records, email records ect during discovery?

I would imagine if they could find proof that Garcia conspired to get any chemical there could be discovery. For example, there was a case where the bstrd maker, holyfield had given his address for a delivery of a substance. This could come out in discovery.

[billeau2]

The burden of proof on a civil case is a balance of probabilities as opposed to a “beyond reasonable doubt” like it is in criminal court.

So it should not be that hard to prove, especially because this ostarine allegedly helps with cutting weight rapidly without losing significant muscle.

That is exactly what Ryan was struggling with, cutting weight without draining himself, hence not making the weight.

So what are the chances that he didn’t take it intentionally knowing for a fact that the benefits of that drug are exactly what he was struggling to achieve?

on a balance of probabilities, which is the standard for civil lawsuits, Ryan is guilty as hell.

Yeah but they have to prove that he didn't take it by accident wouldn't they? I mean if they found a paper trail that show deliberation that would certainly be proof undoubtedly. I'm just wondering if they can assume his motive even in a civil case, simply because the drug helps the condition.

So on a balance of probabilities what is the probability that he accidentally ingested the substance? I'm not saying whether I think that's so or not...

[billeau2]

That would mean proving he knowingly and purposefully injested a substantial amount of PEDS that affected the outcome of the fight. The trace amounts found, even if a court acknowledged the lawsuit.l, would not be enough to cross the threshold to prove that it would inflict all the damages the haneys are suing for. Devin is finished in the sport this lawsuit proves that him and his crook father know it too

Kind of an interesting point of view. From what I understand I agree with you about thresholds here. Even in a civil case one would have to prove one did not take a substance by accident.

One would also have to prove damages could result from the amount in the bloodstream conclusively... In other words one could not say that Ryan had taken a lot previously and there was just a little in his system... And one would have to show that there's a threshold amount that causes such an advantage that damage to the opponent is inevitable.

But you're also suggesting that this is a cash out for Devin! He knows he's done so he's going for trying to take money off the table in another way lol. It's possible. I got honestly say I don't see a path for Haney at this point unless he's willing to fight Ryan again and can win. Everybody's going to be trying to knock him out and he doesn't have the power coming up so far at least. Maybe Bill saw the writing on the wall. It's possible