Comments Thread For: Eddie Hearn believes Devin Haney's lawsuit against Ryan Garcia could be 'a pivotal moment for the sport'

[Doubledagger]

Yes I understand the burden of proof is different. You still have to have some factor that tips the scales. It's hard to prove certain things. For example, trying to prove how much of a substance actually was used. All one can know is what was found in the body at the time of the drug testing.

It's also hard to prove that there was a deliberate attempt to take the substance. It's not impossible but not easy. Even in a civil matter there has to be some preponderance of evidence.

Now there might be a way to prove that Ryan took the supplements when all the factors are looked at. I'm not saying that's impossible. I would be surprised though. The principal is the totality of circumstances.

So for example, Ryan was too heavy. You have witnesses who saw him trying to lose weight and discuss taking the alleged substance, a few more of those you might get somewhere.

We don’t need to prove how much of the substance he took.

We already have proof that what was in his system was beyond the legal limit.

The limit is there for a reason.

If the amount of it he had in his system had no impact on his performance, it wouldn’t be banned in the first place.

That part of the argument is a non argument.

[billeau2]

We don’t need to prove how much of the substance he took.

We already have proof that what was in his system was beyond the legal limit.

The limit is there for a reason.

If the amount of it he had in his system had no impact on his performance, it wouldn’t be banned in the first place.

That part of the argument is a non argument.

I know... I was giving an example. A lot of people had claimed they knew Ryan used a small amount of the substance based on the tests, so it was a good example to use.

yeah but that was not my argument... My argument is, and was, the only way to establish guilt here, EVEN FOR A civil pleading... is to show a totality of circumstances all pointing towards Ryan having deliberately used the substance. So much so that a reasonable individual would conclude such. And while the standards of doubt are much improved for the pleading, being a civil matter... they still are a standard. If Ryan can show the possibility that the substance was accidentally ingested (for example).

[LAchargers373]

The fighters who have nothing to hide and nothing to fear will sign it.

Dude tainted supplements is an actual thing. Why would any fighter sign something that could punish them for something that could happen accidentally? Your just an entitled little girl like Haney lol

[pollywog]

Dude tainted supplements is an actual thing. Why would any fighter sign something that could punish them for something that could happen accidentally?

Should be easy enough to prove accidental ingestion and reverse the decision then. If you're not sure about the supplements don't take them. If you do and pop, that's your own dumbass fault so its on you to prove innocence.

Having done due diligence on your intake and trust in your diet means you got nothing to hide nothing to fear so stating that from the outset in a signed contract means you're acting honestly and with integrity from the outset.

Are we done here ? If not, get your more intelligent wife to dumb it down so you'll undertstand cos I'm done.

Enjoy your day Champ!

[LAchargers373]

Should be easy enough to prove accidental ingestion and reverse the decision then. If you're not sure about the supplements don't take them. If you do and pop, that's your own dumbass fault so its on you to prove innocence.

Having done due diligence on your intake and trust in your diet means you got nothing to hide nothing to fear so stating that from the outset in a signed contract means you're acting honestly and with integrity from the outset.

Are we done here ? If not, get your more intelligent wife to dumb it down so you'll undertstand cos I'm done.

Enjoy your day Champ!

Huh? You said to sign a contract that’s enforceable if u piss hot. Now you’re saying that contract would be unenforceable if you can’t prove the person knowingly ingested it? What difference is that than the current contracts that exist? I’m astounded by how dumb you are lol. My 7 year old has a better grasp simple comprehension wrf is wrong with you lmao

[Engine512]

Okay maybe crook is too strong of a word for Joey Gamache. More like " Frivelous Nonsense ". Joey Gamache had the opportunity to pull out of the fight 30 hours before Arturo Gatti smashed him into retirement, and file a breech of contract lawsuit against the New York State Athletic Commission for not making Gatti, and De La Hoya make weight because the commissioners ( Tony Russo & Mel Suthard ) feared riots from the fallout of 4 New York City police officers aquitted for shooting an unarmed man reaching for his ID 47 times. Instead Gamache was smashed into retirement, and then Gamache comes at the commission as if it was all their fault. Anybody who knows boxing knows that Gatti would have put on that weight irregardless of whatever he weighed at the scale. Gamache had zero respect for Gatti's punching power, and it was that punching power that landed him in the hospital, and out of boxing as a fighter.

Gamache said himself at the trial that he knew Gatti had a habit of putting on significant weight following the weigh in. Gabriel Ruelas added the same 16 pounds Gatti did following the weigh in for their fight, and Ruelas was knocked out all the same.

Was Joey Gamache a skilled boxer? Sure, but Joey Gamache built a record of fighting no names. When Gamache stepped up in class against Chavez, Gatti, Orzubek Nazarov, and Lopez, Gamache made for four of the greatest knockouts in boxing history. Hell after the Nazarov knockout, Gamache was beet red with a broken nose, and in the same state he was after the Gatti fight. They literally had to sit him in his corner for several minutes after the fight, and dump water on him.

I always wondered if somebody Doctored Joey Gamache's medical records to get him into the Gatti fight kind of the same way somebody doctored Reyes Munoz' medical records to get him into the Gatti fight.

I don't know why you would consider Joey Gamache a crook. Are you at all familiar with the case ?

DeLaHoya didn't know that Vargas was on PEDS pre fight. This is a totally different matter where one fighter cheated and arguably won because of it. Losing that fight not only hurt Haney physically in the ring , but he could have future health complications, it also destroyed his standing in the sport , future
opportunities, and greatly diminished his paychecks going forward. Boxing is a sport and a business. Garcia , by cheating, greatly damaged the business of being Devin Haney.