Mayweather and PAC unintentionally hurt boxing badly

[Hustle]

Triangle theories Maidana lost to Kotelnik.

Clottey loss to baldomir so Floyd beats clottey.

Triangle theories

[ImDominicanLipz]

Triangle theories Maidana lost to Kotelnik.

It's not about triangle theories, it's about you saying JMM was a bum and had no resume at welterweight. JMM knocking out Pacquiao was the best win at welterweight in the last 20 years.

[Haka]

It's not about triangle theories, it's about you saying JMM was a bum and had no resume at welterweight. JMM knocking out Pacquiao was the best win at welterweight in the last 20 years.

JMM never was a boogey man at WW. At the lower divisions, sure.

[billeau2]

You are defending those Guerrero, Jmm, Ortiz, Maidana fights but they were all bums. Says it all really.

No... that is not what I am doing at all... Every fighter fights guys who are good. Even when fighters fought fellow ATG's and divisions were stacked, great fighters would fight workmanlike fighters. Your arguing that because Mayweather did likewise, there is some reason why margarito should be included, and/or, that Mayweather has a similar resume to Margarito which is ridiculous.

The first point? margarito was on the level of Maidana, Guerrero, etc yes, would people say Mayweather ducked ortiz? Maidana? probably not... I mean if Mayweather did not want to fight any of the above (excepting JMM) would he be accused of ducking?

The second point? You can read Mayweather's resume where he fought Canelo for example...

Did you call JMM ordinary? a bum!? Thats crazy talk.

[billeau2]

JMM was a bum? You can exit

Jeez I did not even notice that when responding... Good catch!

[Haka]

No... that is not what I am doing at all... Every fighter fights guys who are good. Even when fighters fought fellow ATG's and divisions were stacked, great fighters would fight workmanlike fighters. Your arguing that because Mayweather did likewise, there is some reason why margarito should be included, and/or, that Mayweather has a similar resume to Margarito which is ridiculous.

The first point? margarito was on the level of Maidana, Guerrero, etc yes, would people say Mayweather ducked ortiz? Maidana? probably not... I mean if Mayweather did not want to fight any of the above (excepting JMM) would he be accused of ducking?

The second point? You can read Mayweather's resume where he fought Canelo for example...

Did you call JMM ordinary? a bum!? Thats crazy talk.

Pac already had an ATG resume before he fought JMM, JMM had nothing at WW, just that one punch but could JMM have teared through the WW divison like Pac ? Nothing indicates that, something you are trying to convey here by making JMM a bigger deal than he actually was.

[billeau2]

? Okaaaay. Are we talking about the same fighter? Lol. I totally disagree with you about jm....

[Haka]

? Okaaaay. Are we talking about the same fighter? Lol. I totally disagree with you about jm....

What you do is that you are making triangle theories on the basis that Pac was dominating the division, but JMM landed that punch although all the fights up until that KO were competitive, and could have been the other way around as well. Then you use JMM as the scapegoat win that undo everything that Pac has done, altough JMM never did anything remotely similar afterwards or before. Then use that snapshot as an excuse for why Floyd never needed to clean out the division ? With this line of thinking you are admitting that Pac did all the work and that other fighters live through the resume of Pac.

[billeau2]

What you do is that you are making triangle theories on the basis that Pac was dominating the division, but JMM landed that punch although all the fights up until that KO were competitive, and could have been the other way around as well. Then you use JMM as the scapegoat win that undo everything that Pac has done, altough JMM never did anything remotely similar afterwards or before. Then use that snapshot as an excuse for why Floyd never needed to clean out the division ? With this line of thinking you are admitting that Pac did all the work and that other fighters live through the resume of Pac.

No sir. I am not an advocate for triangle theory I can assure you. You have to be kidding me you say yourself that JM was competitive with Pacquiao... What is your problem? You even state it. Lol.

And no... I'm not saying anything that you think is implied I'm saying exactly what I'm saying. You know what? You're kind of an idiot. I'm going to end this okay? I don't know where you come up with this crap.

I was talking about a workman like fighter and whether Floyd could be accused of ducking Margarito specifically I don't know what the hell you're on about lol.

[Haka]

No sir. I am not an advocate for triangle theory I can assure you. You have to be kidding me you say yourself that JM was competitive with Pacquiao... What is your problem? You even state it. Lol.

And no... I'm not saying anything that you think is implied I'm saying exactly what I'm saying. You know what? You're kind of an idiot. I'm going to end this okay? I don't know where you come up with this crap.

I was talking about a workman like fighter and whether Floyd could be accused of ducking Margarito specifically I don't know what the hell you're on about lol.

No you are the idiot for thinking that Floyd never ducked a fighter and you use the Floyd JMM fight as cover for that, because Pac got kayoâd later on. Like I said there is nothing that indicate that JMM would tear through WW like Pac did, but that particular fight was a good match up for JMM because his bread and butter is counterpunching which is only effective because Pac is aggressive and takes chances and they are similar sized, if he wouldâve fought fully sized WWs like Pac did he wouldâve had many losses, and you think this is NOT the case, each his own. Atleast State your case and donât hide behind insults.