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  • #31
    True. Deontay Wilder did not beat via knockout many top level Heavyweight fighters 'But the facts are? That Deontay Wilder is the greatest American Heavyweight Champion since Evander Holyfield, and he is miles better than any American Heavyweight prospect currently now in the game'.

    I still believe that the version of Deontay Wilder we saw last time inside of a boxing ring? Would beat most other American Heavyweight fighters.

    Deontay Wilder successfully defended his WBC World Heavyweight Championship 10 times 'Tyson Fury was the fighter who dethroned Deontay Wilder, and the share effort it took Fury to force the titles from Deontay Wilder's grasp was extreme'.

    Greatness needs some form of resistance, that it must encounter in order to prove it's greatness 'Deontay Wilder was that resistance, and force which Tyson Fury collided with that proved his greatness. It was only after Tyson Fury beat Deontay Wilder in their second fight, that was the point were his career transcended up into stratosphere levels. Before that fight, Tyson Fury was regarded as a great Heavyweight within his generation, but after beating Deontay Wilder? That was the point in history, were Tyson Fury started to be rated as a all-time great Heavyweight fighter'.

    Nobody can deny, or discredit that Deontay Wilder was a very important part of that process for Tyson Fury 'As I have stated many times before, there have been three Heavyweight mountains of this boxing era. Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. All the main story lines, and rivalries that have defined this boxing era at top level have all been connected to those three fighters. This has been their Heavyweight boxing era, if a movie was ever made about the post Wladimir Kiltschko heavyweight boxing era 'Then Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua are the main characters cast in that cinematic picture'.

    People like the pass over, and distort History boxing history 'Tyson Fury did not win his first fight against Deontay Wilder. You don't win world title's away from home, by being backed up all night and decked twice once badly. Deontay Wilder was the fighter during the contest, who had the strongest case for a win. Not Tyson Fury, but overall you would have to say that the verdict of a draw was the correct decision'.

    Deontay Wilder in terms of technical boxing skill, was not a elite level fighter 'Wilder's pure boxing ability, was not much higher than a European level fighter. But Deontay Wilder was a elite level fighter, in terms of his power, agression, courage and resolve. People must acknowledge this, and understand that is what made him a great fighter'.

    Note: Their is a Japanese Animation called 'Fist of the North Star: 1986'. And in this animation there is a character called Raoh 'Roah as a fighter is all about power, intimidation and destruction. And with his share ambition he was able to punch a hole in the sky, and for a moment this ambition of his restored light in a post apocalyptic world'.

    When I think about Deontay Wilder, I compare him to that type of character. Deontay Wilder after his second fight against Tyson Fury 'All he had left as a fighter, was his ambition. Deontay Wilder did not accept that Tyson Fury legitimately beat him by knockout. Deontay Wilder was taken out of that fight, when he was still fighting back 'And in my opinion, you do not take a power puncher out of a fight, when they are still fighting back and trying to find a way to win'. From a compassionate, perspective I understand why? Deontay Wilder's corner pulled him out of the fight, but in reality as a pure competitor. Historically Deontay Wilder had every single right, to carry on fighting no matter fulfil his attempts were perceived'.

    Once upon a time boxers used to fight under the 'London Prize Fighting rules 1838' which consisted of a potential unlimited number of rounds that could be fought during the fight.

    During those fighting era's, fighters and people knew unequivocally who the victor of the fight was 'Because the only way a fighter could win and be declared, is if one opponent was unable ether get up off the deck and return to the centre scratch line of the ring.

    Even when the 'Marquess Of Queensberry Rules 1867' were introduced into boxing, the most amount of rounds that a fight could last was 45 rounds 'Fighters would be fighting for a duration of over 2 hours potentially'.​

    To conclude: Deontay Wilder as a modern day fighter 'Was still a fighter, competing under those old school fundamental rules. That is why he did not accept, the manner in which his second fight vs Tyson Fury concluded'.

    It was Deontay Wilder's ambition, which made the third tribology fight happen 'His share competitive ambition, as a force made that fight happen. And that Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder tribology, is one of the main scenes from this boxing era'.

    When Tyson Fury competed against Deontay Wilder 'It was not just a boxing fight, and it was beyond business. Two men were at war with each other. The war lasted for a duration of almost 3 years, from December 1st 2018 to October 9th 2021'.

    Deontay Wilder no matter what anybody states, has been one of three Heavyweight mountains of this boxing era. Deontay Wilder has been one of the main protagonist, and forces of resistance which Tyson Fury had to encounter to prove his greatness. And in that moment of boxing history, Deontay Wilder also proved his greatness as a Champion, because he fought until there was no more, like a gladiator' etc.





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    • #32
      Originally posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

      ?? Whenever wilder fought somebody who fought back he was backfoot and negative exactly like he fought parker but just luckily landed the right hand

      Joshua would have obliterated wilder with a counter right
      Not a chance. The worst thing the talented but fragile Joshua could do is "fight back". One shot and done against Wilder.

      We first saw Wilder begin to loose at the end of his career, but Joshua... in the middle of his.

      Let's have a wait-and-see, and reserve our ranking of Joshua at the end of HIS career.

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      • #33
        This has been a surprisingly funny thread so far. Thanks for the amusement.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by eco1 View Post

          The truth is when he fought someone in the top ten they took his punches and came back and won against him. Since day 1 I said he was just a tomato can.

          AJ would've pulverized Wilder just like Zhang, Parker and Fury
          You should attend some live fights. Your aquisition of boxing knowledge could use a push.

          Wilder lost his last 2 because he was shot. not missing shots...he wasn't throwing.

          Joshua lost by being blown away and by being outboxed while smack dab in the middle of his career.
          Very different.
          Last edited by Willow The Wisp; 09-08-2024, 01:46 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post

            Not a chance. The worst thing the talented but fragile Joshua could do is "fight back". One shot and done against Wilder.

            We first saw Wilder begin to loose at the end of his career, but Joshua... in the middle of his.

            Let's have a wait-and-see, and reserve our ranking of Joshua at the end of HIS career.
            joshua is far above wilder as it stands right now. you keep talking about fantasy knockout wins that wilder doesnt have while joshua has a legit resume. yeah it could be better but i wish you would apply that same magnifying glass to wilder because his resume is sh-ite. guys like joyce, whyte, parker, ruiz have better resumes yet you talk about wilder as if hes something great.
            Last edited by daggum; 09-08-2024, 02:37 PM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by pollywog View Post
              It didn't help that Team Joshua ducked him the whole time.

              Had Prime Wilder met Prime Joshua i believe he would have prevailed in spectacular fashion.
              Yeah, AJ ducked Wilder by offering him $15million for a fight at Wembley, $80million for 2 fights in the US, and then asking to be sent a contract when Wilder offered him $50million in a video posted on Instagram.

              Remember that .. Accept the offer first, then we'll tell you the terms. You have 24 hours. Yes or no?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Clegg View Post
                Hey new fan, welcome to the sport. I will help you out.

                Boxrec is a pretty good site, but the problem is they only count fights that happened in reality. Fantasy is where it's at. Wilder would've KTFO Wlad (if somebody says that Wilder avoided Wlad, or that Wlad KTFO Wilder in sparring, they're just trolling) he would've KTFO AJ, but AJ ducked (don't listen to fake news of a 100M offer) and he would've beaten Fury if not for a slow count, egg weights and a heavy outfit. I hear that Usyk recently ducked Wilder using the excuse that he's lost 4 of his last 5 fights. Pathetic.

                Wilder knocked out some of the best journeymen Alabama has ever seen. So we know he hits hard to enough to knock out anyone.
                Absolutely! Wilder is the GOAT in fantasy boxing!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
                  Wilder resume is trash. But he punched hard. Wilder shouldve tried fight more top ten guys. Who knows he mightve been great for 2 seconds against some of them, you don't know if you don't try?
                  I mean he lost to fury, parker, zhang. But who's to say he wouldn't beat jared, Joyce or......help.me out my mind gone blank?
                  How about .. everybody he didn't fight, he would have beaten them all.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Tatabanya View Post
                    Hard twerk and dedication.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
                      True. Deontay Wilder did not beat via knockout many top level Heavyweight fighters 'But the facts are? That Deontay Wilder is the greatest American Heavyweight Champion since Evander Holyfield, and he is miles better than any American Heavyweight prospect currently now in the game'.





                      thats the opposite of a fact. that is something that is completely subjective. most title defenses is a fact yes but they werent against good opponents. also i dont think there have been many american champs since holyfield so thats not something that holds up well, the only guys i can think of are briggs, charles martin, rahman, john ruiz, andy ruiz, and byrd and i think all those guys are better and have better resumes than wilder except briggs and martin. so hes the 5th best since holyfield imo yet people continue to talk about him with great reverence. that shows you how great marketing and hype can really pay off
                      Stuntman Mike Stuntman Mike likes this.

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