Why is no one giving Fury a chance in the rematch

[billeau2]

Immediately after the fight, i thought fury had a great chance. in the middle rounds he was landing routinely on Usyk in ways that i never seen anyone else do before. But then he got tired. I think he needs a stoppage because i dont think he can beat usyk using any method that also conserves energy.

but fury had back to back training camps for that fight, remember he got injured and they moved the fight, he was training for like half a year. we already seen him getting trashed and carried out a bar since the end of the fight. he is only going to be older and likely heavier next fight.

As usual very intelligent analysis. I agree that Fury got tired and that caused him problems. Fury tends to thrive on adversity and one must ask: If Fury realizes his conditioning is a problem, can he set a higher bar? Can he train to eek out a few more rounds? Conserving energy is a fool's gold... Again, you are right. Nobody can walk into a competative fight with the understanding they have to conserve and take from a strategy that enabled their success... But I do think Fury thrives on adversity and can find a way to remedy this problem IF he really comes to fight.

I am not convinced he has it in him to prepare, we will see. I am looking for for one of two Gypsy Kings and then I believe I will know: If he is ready and wants to beat Usyk enough to prepare? he should come in light, perhaps the lightest of his career. If he is too heavy? He has convinced himself that he is "trying for the KO" when in fact he just did not want it enough, or couldn't do what he had to...And he will make a spectacle of himself convincing people he was never as talented as he actually was.

[billeau2]

I don't believe that nobody is giving Fury a chance in the rematch.

The odds will tell all. Unless Fury comes in obviously not prepared, the odds will be tight, Fury even being the favorite.

[kafkod]

Many UK fans and pundits believe Fury can win the rematch. Several, eg Dominic Ingle and Simon Jordan from TalkSport, are confidently predicting that he will win. They seem, yet again, to have fallen for Fury's gaslighting and are saying that he only lost because he was overconfident and didn't take Usyk seriously enough.

I disagree strongly with that. Going by Fury's intense, aggressive attitude towards Usyk in the build up, the fact that he left the UK and locked himself away in Saudi for 2 full training camps and came in at his lightest weight in 5 years - 15lbs lighter than he was for Ngannou - I believe he took Usyk very seriously indeed and got himself into the best shape possible at this stage of his career.

I picked Usyk to win the first fight and I'm picking him to win the rematch. But I'm not writing Fury's chances off. Usyk will be 38 by the time they fight again and, having achieved everything he wanted to achieve in the sport, the incredible drive and determination he's shown throughout his career so far could be on the wane.

[kafkod]

Fury didn't choose to do anything. His head was scrambled. He had no idea what he was doing.

That was a 2 point round regardless of whether he touched canvas.

One of Fury's greatest strengths as a fighter is that, unless his lights are completely out, as they were were for few seconds in the first Wilder fight, he always has some idea of what he's doing and is able to think tactically. It looked to me like he was trying desperately to stay on his feet during that 9th round, to avoid losing it 10 - 8.

[Tatabanya]

Discipline beats indiscipline in boxing. Usually.

Usyk repeats, this time via knockout.

[_Rexy_]

Revisionist propaganda at its best. I won't pick issue with any opinion in particular other than to say its utter balderdash to say Usyk dominated Fury. Usyk himself says Fury was a tough fight and does not have any love for Fury. People are given to perceptions over reason.

Question: Why couldn't Fury, at any time, drop and take an eight count? If Usyk supposedly had him dead on the ropes? I mean when a fighter gets in serious trouble, has not hit the canvas yet, before they attempt to scramble they would take a count if they were in trouble. Fury did not take the count because he did not have to do so. What the ref did was immaterial to this point. Unless one thinks, if Fury took a count the ref would stop the fight, and why would the ref do that? The reason Fury stayed the course was because he wanted to minimize the points and make it a one point round.

If Fury comes in complacent then yeah he loses the fight. If he prepares himself, it will be a great fight and I think Fury wins, Both men had their moments. When Fury was successful Usyk had a defeated look on his face, and when Usyk got to the big baby in a diaper with two a r s e s, he got to Fury. Perfect example of why this should be run back.

I will concede two things: Fury may be full of it when he says he thought he was up and could coast... and indeed Chisora was Usyk's toughest fight, BUT this was because Usyk made some bad adjustments that almost cost him dearly. Anyone who thinks Joshua was tougher really does not have much respect for Usyk's candor. Usyk is in fact brutally honest and likes Joshua.

He didn't know where the **** he was. He was out on his feet.

[elfag]

Many UK fans and pundits believe Fury can win the rematch. Several, eg Dominic Ingle and Simon Jordan from TalkSport, are confidently predicting that he will win. They seem, yet again, to have fallen for Fury's gaslighting and are saying that he only lost because he was overconfident and didn't take Usyk seriously enough.

I disagree strongly with that. Going by Fury's intense, aggressive attitude towards Usyk in the build up, the fact that he left the UK and locked himself away in Saudi for 2 full training camps and came in at his lightest weight in 5 years - 15lbs lighter than he was for Ngannou - I believe he took Usyk very seriously indeed and got himself into the best shape possible at this stage of his career.

I picked Usyk to win the first fight and I'm picking him to win the rematch. But I'm not writing Fury's chances off. Usyk will be 38 by the time they fight again and, having achieved everything he wanted to achieve in the sport, the incredible drive and determination he's shown throughout his career so far could be on the wane.

yeah Usyk was 262, the lightest of his last 8 fights, with 2 training camps. what exactly is he supposed to do to train harder and be "better prepared" next time? too light and then he does away with his size advantage, he is never going to be as nimble and quick as usyk so he wants to have some size while still having stamina. I think 262 was perfect. maybe 255 but not lighter than that.

hes 36 now and abused his body, how many more comeback stories does he have at this point. yeah he lost 100 pounds once, in his 20s. usyk abused his body less, i think usyk is the younger fighter in many ways


the only real counter argument that i have for fury even winning are that the first fight was reasonably close on the cards, if fury could get a knockdown of his own without getting knocked down then its possible for him to win. i am expecting him to look worse not better but if he did come in better by some miracle then yeah it is a winnable fight for him

[daggum]

people still are living the fools dream pretending that wilder was some high level talent and that fury beating him meant something...when you get one thing wrong your ability to analyze things rationally is going to be affected. fury is a good fighter but hes not better than usyk. can he win? yes. will he? probably not.

[billeau2]

He didn't know where the **** he was. He was out on his feet.

Maybe. But nobody can know what Fury "was" I would rather look at the facts. Fact is, a fighter who is eventually in enough trouble goes down for the count. Fighters may be held up by the ropes and unable to go down, but Fury was moving until the very close of the round when he was cornered and the ref could act. Now think about it, if you were the ref, you see a fighter fighting back, moving, are you going to stop the fight? You could decide to give the fighter a count I s'pose, although I am not sure of the rules here.

Ultimately the judges will probably score it a 10-8 round either way, but it is to Fury's advantage to try to sway this scoring by avoiding the count. My point is: I can't know what Fury was thinking... I can only look at logic and logic says if a fighter is moving, he is not out on his feet, and if he gets cornered, as a ref, I certainly do not have the right to stop the fight, unless it is obvious he is not fighting back, or unable to take a count. You could see Fury was trying to avoid the punches, meaning to me, he was fighting back.

It is also possible Fury started the series of events aware, and then was hit with something that further compromised him, but again: does this mean the ref stops the fight? Keep in mind Fury had started the round well (I seem to remember, could be wrong) and it would make sense for him to think "Gee if I get credit for starting well, and avoid going down, it becomes a 10-9 round." Also if you look at his face, he is reacting to getting hit, meaning to me that he was not out on his feet, but I don't know this, anymore than anyone but Fury knows if he was out, or not.

[billeau2]

yeah Usyk was 262, the lightest of his last 8 fights, with 2 training camps. what exactly is he supposed to do to train harder and be "better prepared" next time? too light and then he does away with his size advantage, he is never going to be as nimble and quick as usyk so he wants to have some size while still having stamina. I think 262 was perfect. maybe 255 but not lighter than that.

hes 36 now and abused his body, how many more comeback stories does he have at this point. yeah he lost 100 pounds once, in his 20s. usyk abused his body less, i think usyk is the younger fighter in many ways


the only real counter argument that i have for fury even winning are that the first fight was reasonably close on the cards, if fury could get a knockdown of his own without getting knocked down then its possible for him to win. i am expecting him to look worse not better but if he did come in better by some miracle then yeah it is a winnable fight for him

Fury has plenty of power at a lighter weight. I do think there is merit to your comments because, if Fury drains himself to come in lighter, that would be very bad. But if Fury takes the weight off naturally and comes in at 260 (I doubt he could make 255), or even 255, he has plenty of heft to work with. His real advantage is his reach and the fact that he has the ring IQ to genuinely threaten Usyk... something demonstrated in this last fight.

What makes me laugh is how people are so ready to dramatize Fury's bad moments, when he did not even take a count... yet when Fury was having his success, you could see on Usyk's face that he was feeling it. People just are victims of confirmation bias and not careful observers lol. This was a close fight, and Usyk admitted it! The scores reflected it as well. If Fury had won one more round the fight would have been a draw. Now sometimes scorecards do not reflect reality... But in this case I think they did.