Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tyson Fury rematch is a total farce. A complete waste of time and an insult to boxing fans everywhere!

[crimsonfalcon07]

Fury didn't "reign for years" by any stretch. He beat Klitschko on one of the most boring fights Klitschko has ever been in, immediately got busted for banned substances, was out for 3 years, then came back and had a variety of low level fights until finally beating Wilder February 2020. He then had to be legally forced into the contractual rematch, failed repeatedly to come to terms with his mandatory Whyte, then defended against a faded Chisora. About one fight a year, two of which had to be enforced on him.

Then he fights a debutante, gets knocked down, and frankly should have lost the fight, since the two rounds that could reasonably be swing rounds he landed ONE extra jab each, compared to having a cut opened by an uppercut, which was clearly the cleanest and most significant punch of the round, and an extra power punch by the aforementioned debutante.

In both the Ngannou fight and the fight vs Usyk, he had the benefit of dubious judging, since the paymaster for both fights had previously expressed that he hoped Fury would win.

If that's what we call "reigning for years", well, I guess people are more impressed with smoke and mirrors than I am.

[jas]

i favour fury to win

usyks main offence was his left hand. occasionally right hook but i feel like fury has more facets to his game he can build on because of his size advantage. the sneaky uppercut was working. and so were the body shots. i think if he goes to the body early the late usyk surge we are so used to seeing might not be there

[The D3vil]

I swear boxing has the worst fans in the world.

Those dudes were in a razor-thin fight that Tyson Fury was winning going into the championship rounds, against the P4P best fighter on the planet, but nah, we don't want a rematch.

Y'all must be AJ stans.

[pollywog]

It's a shame we'll never get to see Joseph Parker end Tyson Fury's career with a beatdown. Great call on Fury's part to make him his BFF to avoid the matchup. There's no doubt in my mind Parker beats Fury.

I'd pick Parker to beat Joshua in a rematch and become the 2nd best of his era behind Usyk also.

A Parker v Usyk showdown would hold more intrigue as to the result than a Fury renatchi expect Usyk to win comfortably on the cards or by K.O.

[ELPacman]

The knockdown was really the fight changing punch. Otherwise it was quite even up until then. Of course a rematch is warranted. Fury can win it this time. Usyk is getting old as f**k.

[Willow The Wisp]

Fury didn't "reign for years" by any stretch. He beat Klitschko on one of the most boring fights Klitschko has ever been in, immediately got busted for banned substances, was out for 3 years, then came back and had a variety of low level fights until finally beating Wilder February 2020. He then had to be legally forced into the contractual rematch, failed repeatedly to come to terms with his mandatory Whyte, then defended against a faded Chisora. About one fight a year, two of which had to be enforced on him.

Then he fights a debutante, gets knocked down, and frankly should have lost the fight, since the two rounds that could reasonably be swing rounds he landed ONE extra jab each, compared to having a cut opened by an uppercut, which was clearly the cleanest and most significant punch of the round, and an extra power punch by the aforementioned debutante.

In both the Ngannou fight and the fight vs Usyk, he had the benefit of dubious judging, since the paymaster for both fights had previously expressed that he hoped Fury would win.

If that's what we call "reigning for years", well, I guess people are more impressed with smoke and mirrors than I am.

I can sympathize with the frustration. Fury was the biggest pain in the ass of any long term champion ever, by far.

Even so; history will never remember all those viewpoints of yours, some of which are dead wrong anyway.

What history WILL reflect is that between November 28, 2015 and May 18, 2024, Tyson Fury reigned as The Heavyweight Champion of the World.

The oldest and most important title in sports.
The flagship title in the Only combat sport that has a meaningful history.


I know; it's not fair. But that's history for ya.

[Willow The Wisp]

Doesnt matter what happens with DDD. AJ and Fury have reigned for years. Everybody else has fought to be 3rd place or less. And usyk beat DDD anyway (not that it really matters in this point).

Sure does matter. AJ and Wilder have been neck & neck for years. AJ took his bad losses in his prime while Wilder took his later. Neither one is perfect, but both were leaders in their era.
Ive always felt that Wilder would find and finish Joshua had they fought in their primes, but rank Joshua a step higher now.
Wilder, the older man, had finished his productive years several years ago as Joshua carries on with good momentum. But one more crushing KO loss for AJ and history will reevaluate his standing in the 2015 - 2025 block.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I can sympathize with the frustration. Fury was the biggest pain in the ass of any long term champion ever, by far.

Even so; history will never remember all those viewpoints of yours, some of which are dead wrong anyway.

What history WILL reflect is that between November 28, 2015 and May 18, 2024, Tyson Fury reigned as The Heavyweight Champion of the World.

The oldest and most important title in sports.
The flagship title in the Only combat sport that has a meaningful history.


I know; it's not fair. But that's history for ya.

Except history doesn't reflect that. He wasn't champion at all between 2015 and 2020. Lineal heavyweight is a hot mess, and with him out that long, and having been on PEDs and more when he won it, his claim is dubious at best. And I didn't even mention the numerous attempts to duck and derail the Usyk fight. I am quite sure history will NOT remember him as fondly as you think, unless he can clearly beat Usyk in the rematch. Honestly, I think he needs to beat AJ clearly also, win or lose, and I'm not convinced that happens.

The methods history have changed dramatically since the early days of boxing in the US. The most enduring images of Fury will almost certainly be him on his butt looking up at the debutante who just knocked him down, and him getting battered pillar to post by a "jumped up middleweight", and that's in no small part because he chose to play the heel, or just is one. It's a shame he's such a pain out of the ring though, because I have enjoyed watching some of his biggest fights. But he and Wilder were never quite what they were made out to be, and we've seen that with both. I know you're a huge Fury fan and that the disappointment has to be really high for you, so I'll leave it at that.

[Willow The Wisp]

Except history doesn't reflect that. He wasn't champion at all between 2015 and 2020. Lineal heavyweight is a hot mess, and with him out that long, and having been on PEDs and more when he won it, his claim is dubious at best. And I didn't even mention the numerous attempts to duck and derail the Usyk fight. I am quite sure history will NOT remember him as fondly as you think, unless he can clearly beat Usyk in the rematch. Honestly, I think he needs to beat AJ clearly also, win or lose, and I'm not convinced that happens.

The methods history have changed dramatically since the early days of boxing in the US. The most enduring images of Fury will almost certainly be him on his butt looking up at the debutante who just knocked him down, and him getting battered pillar to post by a "jumped up middleweight", and that's in no small part because he chose to play the heel, or just is one. It's a shame he's such a pain out of the ring though, because I have enjoyed watching some of his biggest fights. But he and Wilder were never quite what they were made out to be, and we've seen that with both. I know you're a huge Fury fan and that the disappointment has to be really high for you, so I'll leave it at that.

In over your head. Run!

[BustedKnuckles]

Sure does matter. AJ and Wilder have been neck & neck for years. AJ took his bad losses in his prime while Wilder took his later. Neither one is perfect, but both were leaders in their era.
Ive always felt that Wilder would find and finish Joshua had they fought in their primes, but rank Joshua a step higher now.
Wilder, the older man, had finished his productive years several years ago as Joshua carries on with good momentum. But one more crushing KO loss for AJ and history will reevaluate his standing in the 2015 - 2025 block.

Wilder fought nobodies. AJ fought somebodies. AJ will lose again; it's only a matter of time. Nonetheless, he was the man to beat throughout his reign and kept the belts in his wardobe. End of story.