Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez stripped of IBF title after agreeing to fight Edgar Berlanga

[champion4ever]

...fought both Canelo and JMM at CW doe, one of them not even honoring it.

No he did not fight them at catchweights but he made sure that both of them did. For example: He unilaterally made Canelo Alvarez to cut down to a catchweight of a 152 lbs while he came in weighing at a weight where he felt his most comfortable which was a 150.5 lbs.

In addition, it was the same with JMM. He had agreed to a catchweight vs Juan Manuel Marquez at a 144 lbs. However, he didn’t honor the agreement. He came in at a weight where he felt his most comfortable which was a 146 lbs.

A catchweight is when both fighters weights are identical. However, that was not the case in either of his fights with JMM or Canelo. Those catchweights were one sided and not identical. Mayweather came to both of those fights weighing whatever he so chose to weigh.

[garfios]

Nobody in their right mind would fight Morell. He’s a Cuban that comes to ****, undefeated, looks galaxies better than Berlanga, and hasn’t had enough fights to for them pinpoint enough weak spots in the armor. I don’t think it does well enough here on PPV. Not enough fights yet as much as I wouldn’t mind seeing the fight.

Benavidez is MUCH more likely to get a shot at against Canelo than Morrell. Morell brings less money and I legitimately believe THAT guy is more dangerous than Benavidez. Benny at least looks like his defense can be prodded and poked. There’s a path to victory. Morell looks like the kind of brash young kid who’s not coming to play around. I mean, Benny will come to fight…but I think he just has more miles on the odometer than the Cuban.

Well, that's boxing today, if you have talent and want to fight everyone, good luck with that, not even benavidez wants to rumble with Morrell Jr. Let's see what happens Saturday.

[Topdogggbm]

While it’s true that Mayweather didn’t do catchweights or have ever become the undisputed champion of the world in any weight class.

However, comparing him to Canelo is kind of stretching it a bit too far. Mayweather was never this extreme unlike Canelo Alvarez.

For the exception of maybe Paul “The Punisher” Williams. He fought just about everyone in or around his weight class at 147 and 154; Including mandatories.

He fought Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto and Canelo Alvarez at 154 and names like Zab Judah, Juan Manuel Marquez, Sugar Shane Mosley and Manny Pacquiao ar 147.

The only fighter Mayweather was ever accused of ducking was Manny Pacquiao because he refused to fight him on his terms.

However, he did eventually fight him though but just not on Pac’s terms.

I don’t disagree. I wasn’t specifying Mayweather as ducking. In fact I mentioned I am a big fan. I just meant that while we’re talking about things such as “The negativity of All-things-Canelo”, it’s a shame that the Mayweather effect kinda did the same thing. And they are the two most noteworthy fighters in the last 20ish years.

[Boricua181]

The WBA got paid before everyone else under the table to elevate Berlanga to mandatory status in order to make the fight with Canelo possible.

[Boricua181]

One down and three to go. If dude wants to run around ripping off the fans by fighting the next tier down in a circus over and over instead of giving us the only two fights we care to see him in (Benavidez and Morrell) then he can do it beltless.

Exactly lets see how long it takes the other boxing organization's to follow suit, or if they do so at all.

[MulaKO]

https://larrybrownsports.com/mma/dan...fight-conflict

lmfao

[OnePunch]

Terry, who do you have in Bivol/Beterbiev? I always enjoy your insight in boxing matters. Part of my rational mind says that Bivol wins but I've seen him buzzed by guys like Pascal and Smith and I've been ringside to hear the power of Artur's punches. I have no idea who wins but I suspect it won't be close one way or another. Either Artur batters him or Bivol boxes his ears off.

To me this is a VERY tough pick, because both guys are extremely talented and either guy is capable of winning. Gun to my head, I pick Bivol. He's definitely the more well-rounded, balanced fighter. I think Beterbiev only wins if he can put Bivol on the floor, and I just dont think thats too likely. Bivol is very adept at neutralizing power, and I suspect that will happen here. I could see a 117-111 type decision, with Beterbiev getting frustrated in the later rounds......

[OnePunch]

No he did not fight them at catchweights but he made sure that both of them did. For example: He unilaterally made Canelo Alvarez to cut down to a catchweight of a 152 lbs while he came in weighing at a weight where he felt his most comfortable which was a 150.5 lbs.

In addition, it was the same with JMM. He had agreed to a catchweight vs Juan Manuel Marquez at a 144 lbs. However, he didn’t honor the agreement. He came in at a weight where he felt his most comfortable which was a 146 lbs.

A catchweight is when both fighters weights are identical. However, that was not the case in either of his fights with JMM or Canelo. Those catchweights were one sided and not identical. Mayweather came to both of those fights weighing whatever he so chose to weigh.

nonsense. A "catchweight" is when the contracted weight is a number that is not the maximum weight limit for any of the recognized weight divisions, such as welterweight (147), middleweight (160), etc etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with what weight the fighter actually weighed in at.

For example, a fight contracted at 126lbs is a featherweight fight, a fight contracted at 130lbs is a super featherweight fight, and a fight contracted at say 128lbs is a "catchweight" fight......

[champion4ever]

nonsense. A "catchweight" is when the contracted weight is a number that is not the maximum weight limit for any of the recognized weight divisions, such as welterweight (147), middleweight (160), etc etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with what weight the fighter actually weighed in at.

For example, a fight contracted at 126lbs is a featherweight fight, a fight contracted at 130lbs is a super featherweight fight, and a fight contracted at say 128lbs is a "catchweight" fight......

So let me ask you this question. What was the contractual weight agreement between JMM and Mayweather and what was the actual weight did Mayweather come in weighing for that fight?

Technically speaking you are absolutely correct in principle. However, all I am saying is that Floyd never honored any contractual obligation for a catchweight except for one and that was with Saul Canelo Alvarez.

Where only Alvarez was given a catchweight of a 152 lbs without making the full weight limit of 154 lbs. Only Marquez and Canelo had fulfilled a contractual catchweight obligation but Floyd Mayweather had not.

The Marquez catchweight was a bilateral one where both men were contractually obligated to weigh in at a 144 lbs. However, Canelo's catchweight was a one-sided and unilateral one where Mayweather only agreed to fight Alvarez at a catchweight of a 152 lbs or there wouldn't have been a fight at all.

[daggum]

While it’s true that Mayweather didn’t do catchweights or have ever become the undisputed champion of the world in any weight class.

However, comparing him to Canelo is kind of stretching it a bit too far. Mayweather was never this extreme unlike Canelo Alvarez.

For the exception of maybe Paul “The Punisher” Williams. He fought just about everyone in or around his weight class at 147 and 154; Including mandatories.

He fought Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto and Canelo Alvarez at 154 and names like Zab Judah, Juan Manuel Marquez, Sugar Shane Mosley and Manny Pacquiao ar 147.

The only fighter Mayweather was ever accused of ducking was Manny Pacquiao because he refused to fight him on his terms.

However, he did eventually fight him though but just not on Pac’s terms.

everything you said was wrong.

floyd had catchweights against marquez and canelo. the canelo one stands out because it was a unification fight...at a catchweight. never seen such a thing in boxing. only reason for it was to drain canelo full stop.

floyd ducked pac for 5 years. thats pretty extreme. ducked cotto and marg for years and years as well. Arum and Diaz say that the 'Pretty Boy' was offered in the neighborhood of $7 million to face Margarito. In what could best be described as a 'business move', the same guy who brazenly challenged the bigger Winky Wright decided to bypass Margarito, to collect nearly $4 million to spar with Sharmba Mitchell.

he did not fight everyone. he ducked margarito and more money to fight sharmba mitchell and zab coming off a loss. he ducked cotto as well saying he wasnt a star, and lived too far away in puerto rico. then he literally fake retired when the heat was on him.

no not the only one he ducked just the most prominent. floyd made up the drug testing thing to duck pac. that is clear now. floyds terms kept changing. it was not pacs fault that he didnt agree to floyds terms fast enough, and it didnt matter because everytime he did agree floyd simply changed them. its called moving the goalposts and its a clear indication he never wanted the fight. remember first it was drug testing, agreed, then it was 14 days, then when pac agreed to that it was 0 days, then when pac agreed to that pac only got a 40 millino flat offer and no ppv cut of the fight...ridiculous duck. i even did the research on another thread and pac was selling more ppvs and doing better live gates at that time and floyd only offered a 40 million flat fee...obviously he was cornered and knew this offer wouldnt and couldnt be accepted. he just didnt want to fight pac in any terms.

yeah he eventually fought him so the ducking didnt happen? no it did. also when they fought it was a 60-40 split in floyds favor...so when pac was past it floyd was ok with giving pac a 40 percent split yet when pac is prime he only gets a flat fee which would have netted around 10 percent of the split? can you make sense of that? pac was actually far more popular when the flat fee was offered so shouldnt the offer only go down after pacs losses and loss in popularity? the offer got better because floyd was ready to fight finally. he simply was not ready to fight prime pac and never would have been under any circumstances. you can see from the pattern he made sure to duck all the dangerous prime guys. it was never hard for floyd to make fights against baldomir. so strange