Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez stripped of IBF title after agreeing to fight Edgar Berlanga

[OnePunch]

So let me ask you this question. What was the contractual weight agreement between JMM and Mayweather and what was the actual weight did Mayweather come in weighing for that fight?

Technically speaking you are absolutely correct in principle. However, all I am saying is that Floyd never honored any contractual obligation for a catchweight except for one and that was with Saul Canelo Alvarez.

Where only Alvarez was given a catchweight of a 152 lbs without making the full weight limit of 154 lbs. Only Marquez and Canelo had fulfilled a contractual catchweight obligation but Floyd Mayweather had not.

The Marquez catchweight was a bilateral one where both men were contractually obligated to weigh in at a 144 lbs. However, Canelo's catchweight was a one-sided and unilateral one where Mayweather only agreed to fight Alvarez at a catchweight of a 152 lbs or there wouldn't have been a fight at all.

The weight specified in ANY bout contract is the maximum weight the fighter may weigh. That doesnt mean the fighter has to weigh that exact amount, he just cannot exceed it. Fighters ALWAYS have the freedom to weigh in below the contracted amount. For Floyd-JMM, the contracted weight was 144. Floyd did not make that weight, and instead opted to compensate JMM in order to proceed with the fight. Same thing recently in Haney-Garcia, and many other examples over the years

[boxing IQ]

To me this is a VERY tough pick, because both guys are extremely talented and either guy is capable of winning. Gun to my head, I pick Bivol. He's definitely the more well-rounded, balanced fighter. I think Beterbiev only wins if he can put Bivol on the floor, and I just dont think thats too likely. Bivol is very adept at neutralizing power, and I suspect that will happen here. I could see a 117-111 type decision, with Beterbiev getting frustrated in the later rounds......

Bivol's not limited, but he relies too much on the 1-2 and has been hurt by smaller punchers. Plus, Gvozdyk, who had excellent footwork and also good at controlling distance, had the best chance to beat Beterbiev with the kind of mobility Bivol is going to use. Once Beterbiev has Bivol figured out by the mid rounds, he will start catching him with short hard shots, and throw off his rhythm to where Bivol will start doing what a lot of guys do in that situation and throw out the game plan to start trading with Beterbiev. We've seen this movie 20 times

[garfios]

No he did not fight them at catchweights but he made sure that both of them did. For example: He unilaterally made Canelo Alvarez to cut down to a catchweight of a 152 lbs while he came in weighing at a weight where he felt his most comfortable which was a 150.5 lbs.

In addition, it was the same with JMM. He had agreed to a catchweight vs Juan Manuel Marquez at a 144 lbs. However, he didn’t honor the agreement. He came in at a weight where he felt his most comfortable which was a 146 lbs.

A catchweight is when both fighters weights are identical. However, that was not the case in either of his fights with JMM or Canelo. Those catchweights were one sided and not identical. Mayweather came to both of those fights weighing whatever he so chose to weigh.

You don't $h1t about contracts and catchweight, by the way canelo offered to fight at 150 first.

[champion4ever]

You don't $h1t about contracts and catchweight, by the way canelo offered to fight at 150 first.

Mayweather never do catchweights my friend. Only his opponents do. Even when he is contractually obligated to do so. He weighs whatever the Hell he wants the day before the fight. Contracts and catchweights be damned!

[champion4ever]

everything you said was wrong.

floyd had catchweights against marquez and canelo. the canelo one stands out because it was a unification fight...at a catchweight. never seen such a thing in boxing. only reason for it was to drain canelo full stop.

floyd ducked pac for 5 years. thats pretty extreme. ducked cotto and marg for years and years as well. Arum and Diaz say that the 'Pretty Boy' was offered in the neighborhood of $7 million to face Margarito. In what could best be described as a 'business move', the same guy who brazenly challenged the bigger Winky Wright decided to bypass Margarito, to collect nearly $4 million to spar with Sharmba Mitchell.

he did not fight everyone. he ducked margarito and more money to fight sharmba mitchell and zab coming off a loss. he ducked cotto as well saying he wasnt a star, and lived too far away in puerto rico. then he literally fake retired when the heat was on him.

no not the only one he ducked just the most prominent. floyd made up the drug testing thing to duck pac. that is clear now. floyds terms kept changing. it was not pacs fault that he didnt agree to floyds terms fast enough, and it didnt matter because everytime he did agree floyd simply changed them. its called moving the goalposts and its a clear indication he never wanted the fight. remember first it was drug testing, agreed, then it was 14 days, then when pac agreed to that it was 0 days, then when pac agreed to that pac only got a 40 millino flat offer and no ppv cut of the fight...ridiculous duck. i even did the research on another thread and pac was selling more ppvs and doing better live gates at that time and floyd only offered a 40 million flat fee...obviously he was cornered and knew this offer wouldnt and couldnt be accepted. he just didnt want to fight pac in any terms.

yeah he eventually fought him so the ducking didnt happen? no it did. also when they fought it was a 60-40 split in floyds favor...so when pac was past it floyd was ok with giving pac a 40 percent split yet when pac is prime he only gets a flat fee which would have netted around 10 percent of the split? can you make sense of that? pac was actually far more popular when the flat fee was offered so shouldnt the offer only go down after pacs losses and loss in popularity? the offer got better because floyd was ready to fight finally. he simply was not ready to fight prime pac and never would have been under any circumstances. you can see from the pattern he made sure to duck all the dangerous prime guys. it was never hard for floyd to make fights against baldomir. so strange

Margarito was a cheater so he was wise to avoid him. Antonio fought with loaded gloves.

In the case of Pacquiao; Both guys were at fault for the fight not happening sooner. Both guys were box office draws who wouldn’t give an inch in the negotiations.

Even Freddie Roach confirmed this. He said that Pac was just as much to blame as Mayweather for that fight being delayed as it was.

Neither fighter needed the other one because they were both making millions fighting lesser opponents. It wasn’t until Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez in 2012 that he finally agreed to random Olympic style drug testing of both blood and urine.

By then, he was more than willing to fight Mayweather on his terms because his stock had fallen and he had less bargaining power then.

[garfios]

Mayweather never do catchweights my friend. Only his opponents do. Even when he is contractually obligated to do so. He weighs whatever the Hell he wants the day before the fight. Contracts and catchweights be damned!

Well, I remember canelo first "belt", it was contracted at catchweight, his opponent Mathew Hatton came a the limit not ginger, he like his mentor Floyd, paid Hatton and the show went on. You can come lower not higher.

[garfios]

Margarito was a cheater so he was wise to avoid him. Antonio fought with loaded gloves.

In the case of Pacquiao; Both guys were at fault for the fight not happening sooner. Both guys were box office draws who wouldn’t give an inch in the negotiations.

Even Freddie Roach confirmed this. He said that Pac was just as much to blame as Mayweather for that fight being delayed as it was.

Neither fighter needed the other one because they were both making millions fighting lesser opponents. It wasn’t until Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez in 2012 that he finally agreed to random Olympic style drug testing of both blood and urine.

By then, he was more than willing to fight Mayweather on his terms because his stock had fallen and he had less bargaining power then.

He didn't avoided him because the loaded wraps, nobody knew it, and it wasn't much clarification.

[champion4ever]

He didn't avoided him because the loaded wraps, nobody knew it, and it wasn't much clarification.

Ok, fair enough my friend. I’ll let you have it.

[champion4ever]

Well, I remember canelo first "belt", it was contracted at catchweight, his opponent Mathew Hatton came a the limit not ginger, he like his mentor Floyd, paid Hatton and the show went on. You can come lower not higher.

You are right. Well said sir! You are spot on!

[garfios]

Ok, fair enough my friend. I’ll let you have it.

Just so you know, I didn't like Floyd.