Euro Level Athletes VS Russians

[Inoue Body Shot]

Bivol is half Korean.

Lennox Lewis is the best British fighter that I have seen fight in my lifetime.

[Willow The Wisp]

Ummm... there's isn't two Vladimir Safronovs is there?

https://olympics.com/en/athletes/vladimir-safronov says he's 294 of 316 (ie 294-22).. and actually identifies 3 of those losses - although apparently the Russian wiki page for him does indeed say he's 564-1. Hmm.

I'd like to think Vysotsky's name might be on that list too, although granted his record isn't really as good as his fearsome legend might suggest.

Vysotsky was a fantastic amateur heavyweight in his time. If he didn't cut sobadly it would've saved him a number of key losses.

Boxing has a long history in the regions today known as Russia, and in it's neighboring republics. Boxing, as broadly and properly defined, dates prior to the Christianization of Kievan Rus', and was widely practiced as a celebratory ritual dedicated to Perun, the highest god of the pantheon in Slavic mythology and the god of sky, thunder, lightning, storms, rain, law, war, fertility and oak trees.

The sport was clearly still in evidence in the 13th century, following Christianization. Metropolite Kirill II of Kiev, in 1274, created rules declaring “expulsion from Christianity” for any fighter who failed to sing a prayer or hymn at the burial of someone who died during a fight. Historians note that none other than Peter the Great would frequently organize fist fights between champion soldiers in order to display the ability of the Russian people. During the reign of Catherine the Great, Count Alexei Grigoryevich Orlov, a large and powerful man was a noted boxer, and routinely brought in notable fist fighters to test his ability against.

A popular pursuit, most regions had their own events, styles and heroes in the sport, with the most successful at producing champions being Tula, in western Russia; home to the famous Tula Kremlin, a 16th-century stone fortress. Each region practiced unique rules. In some places fighters fought with bare arms, while in others they stretched the sleeves over the fist, and in others, medium and large scale group fights, known as “Wall fights” were practiced like a violent team sport or war game.

Russian boxing was joined to the English style during the time of the Napoleonic wars, when Russian forces joined with their British counterparts to combat Napoleon’s surge across Europe and cultural exchange became more common. On June 14th 1814, the legendary British and world champion Tom Cribb sparred before Alexander I the Emperor of Russia (1777-1825), and it was during these proceedings that the Russian military representatives in attendance conceded that the English style was “superior to that of our people”.

Boxing carried on throughout many of the regions in one form or another until the early 20th century when, at the time of the Russian Revolution in 1917; the sport would again flourish.

During the years of the Soviet Union, boxing was one of the three major sports practiced behind the “Iron Curtain”.

Below is a chronological listing of the most noteworthy Heavyweights through the life of the former Soviet Union 1917 – 1991.

Enjoy!


History of the Soviet Union Heavyweight Boxing Championship 1917 – 1991




1920's

Ivan Stepanocich Bogayev Soviet Boxing Pioneer

Konstantin Gradopolov Soviet Boxing Pioneer




1930's

Arkady Georgievich Kharlampiyev Soviet Boxing Pioneer

Viktor Mikhailov 1932 - 1935 Soviet champion




1940's

Nicolai Fyodrorovich Korolyov USSR National champion 1936 – 1953 Legend of Soviet sport

Evgeny Ohurenkov 1940's rivel of Korolyov




1950's

Algirdas Socicas 1953, 1955 Europe Gold

Lev Mukhin 1958 Olympic Silver (Lost to Pete Rademacher)

Andrey Abramov 1957, 59, 61 and 63 Europe Gold




1960's

Vadim Yemelyanov 1964 Olympic Bronze (Lost to Joe Frazier)

Aleksandr Izosimov 1965 Europe Gold

Ionus Jonas Čepulis 1968 Olympic Silver (Lost to George Foreman)

Vladimir Saarinen 1969 Soviet Champion




1970's

Kamo Saroyan 1971 Multiple USSR champion. Lost to Ron Lyle US-USSR

Vladimir Chernychev 1972 Europe Gold, 1972

Viktor Ulyanich 1973 Eupope Gold, USSR champion 1973-75

V. Timoschenko 1974

Valeri Pochetukhin 1974

Gennady Kokurin 1974 Soviet Champion

Igor Vysotski 1970's Beat Teofilo Stevenson, Top Soviet, Sparred Ali June 1978

Aleksandr Nikulin 1975

Leonid Zadorozhny 1975

Nikolay Aksenov 1976 Lost to Gerry Cooney US-USSR duel meet

Davit Kvachadze 1976 Soviet Champion

Nikolay Malika 1976

Vyacheslav Alekseev 1976

Viktor Ivanov 1977 Soviet Champion

Sergey Plisov 1977

Mikhail Subbotin 1977

Yevgeniy Gorstkov 1978 Europe Gold, Sparred Ali June 1978

Alexander Jagubkin (Yagubkin) 1979 Soviet champion, 1983 World Cup Gold

Khoren Indzheyan 1979 Europe Bronze




1980's

Pyotr Zayev 1980 Olympic Silver, Sparred Ali June 1978

Aleksandr Lukstin 1982 Soviet Champion

Valery Abadzhyan 1984 Friendship Games Silver

Vyacheslav Yakovlev 1986 Europe, 1986 Olympic Bronze

Aleksandr Miroshnichenko 1988 Olympic Bronze, 1st ex-Soviet champ to turn Pro (1990-93).

Evgeni Sudakov 1989 Soviet Champion

Yevgeni Belousov 1991 Europe Gold




(The Soviet Union fell and was dissolved in 1991)

[Sid-Knee]

The mental gymnastics of a soured limey from the wreck of the British Empire

Black-American all time greats eclipses the isles

the sun set on Britain long ago

so many atg victories that you didnt list any lol

There’s almost no white Brit all time great

Brit Ken Buchanan took a bad L from half Mexican Duran

The only one exposed as doing mental gymnastics here is you. I mean, Roberto Duran? Mexican? Shut up you absolute idiot.

It doesn't matter when the sun set on the British Empire. Going by your "Logic", it stands. But what else can you do when you get proven wrong on pretty much every point you made.

Where are these world class wins over Black Americans and Mexicans for Russians that far outweigh British fighters? You're doing nothing but deflecting by asking me to list fights. You give this supposed list you have in mind (You're the one who made the thread and made these supposed points) then i'll give a bigger list. You're the one who has to justify everything. But you haven't. You failed horribly on the ethnicity point by the sheer fact that there are no native champions from the US or Mexico. That's how much of a moron you are.

There are no White British ATG's. As i say, you need to educate yourself.

Bob Fitzsimmons
Charley White
Joe Calzaghe
Jimmy Wilde
Jimmy McLarnin
Ricky Hatton
Owen Moran
Freddie Welsh
Phil Bloom
Carl Froch
Johnny Cuthbert
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Joe Burman
Matt Wells
Jack "Kid" Berg
Jim Driscoll

I look forward to your reply of fallacies. But check their ATG wins too. There's a mass of them. I'll then stomp you out on every other ridiculous point you've put up.

[Willow The Wisp]

This thread is typical. Some knowledge offered, but the class prefers throwing paper airplanes.
Reading the perceptions relating to ethnicity and nationalism is....is what it is.
Jimmy McLarnin, BTW, was born in Occupied Northern Ireland but didn't begin a pro career until he moved to Canada, and the United States. You might argue he's a British fighter, but you'd leave the discussion open to a goodly number of post 1960 British ones actually being Jamaican, Nigerian, etc.

[MONGOOSE66]

What is it that separates the Russian from the Euro.

Russians are capable of beating elite Mexicans and Blacks. Euros often get broken down then knocked out by the elites

Kostya Tszyu [halfie]
K2 Bros
Kovalev
ggg [halfie]
Loma
Usyk

From Russia: Beterbiev [Chechen] & Bivol

Russians don’t have the durability issues of Continental Europeans and Brits

Russians whip europeans even easier than tuff countries.

[SouthpawRight]

The only one exposed as doing mental gymnastics here is you. I mean, Roberto Duran? Mexican? Shut up you absolute idiot.

It doesn't matter when the sun set on the British Empire. Going by your "Logic", it stands. But what else can you do when you get proven wrong on pretty much every point you made.

Where are these world class wins over Black Americans and Mexicans for Russians that far outweigh British fighters? You're doing nothing but deflecting by asking me to list fights. You give this supposed list you have in mind (You're the one who made the thread and made these supposed points) then i'll give a bigger list. You're the one who has to justify everything. But you haven't. You failed horribly on the ethnicity point by the sheer fact that there are no native champions from the US or Mexico. That's how much of a moron you are.

There are no White British ATG's. As i say, you need to educate yourself.

Bob Fitzsimmons
Charley White
Joe Calzaghe
Jimmy Wilde
Jimmy McLarnin
Ricky Hatton
Owen Moran
Freddie Welsh
Phil Bloom
Carl Froch
Johnny Cuthbert
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Joe Burman
Matt Wells
Jack "Kid" Berg
Jim Driscoll

I look forward to your reply of fallacies. But check their ATG wins too. There's a mass of them. I'll then stomp you out on every other ridiculous point you've put up.

our silly limey is going to give himself heart attack. A Brit so frail he gets knocked out by a keyboard

joe ricky carl and many listed ARE NOT all time greats. Good/HOF IS NOT great

the rest are fine fighters but pale in comparison to Black-American ATGs

great boxers but far from level with Sugar Ray Leonard Joe Louis Ezzard Charles Mayweather Hagler Whitaker

and the list goes on and on

and on and on

to the MILLIONS and MILLIONS

to pretend ethnic Brits have parity is disingenuous

This thread is typical. Some knowledge offered, but the class prefers throwing paper airplanes.
Reading the perceptions relating to ethnicity and nationalism is....is what it is.
Jimmy McLarnin, BTW, was born in Occupied Northern Ireland but didn't begin a pro career until he moved to Canada, and the United States. You might argue he's a British fighter, but you'd leave the discussion open to a goodly number of post 1960 British ones actually being Jamaican, Nigerian, etc.

nationalism

not quite

I’m of neither of these countries nor ethnic groups

this puts me in the best position to be uniquely qualified and objective

Past AND present I’d rank it as:

Black-Americans then Mexicans then Latinos as a whole then Russians then Brits > Continental Europeans

Tyson Fury is the most special guy to come out of Britain recently. I guess they claim him

Russians whip europeans even easier than tuff countries.

what do you mean by this. What are the tuff countries

[Sid-Knee]

our silly limey is going to give himself heart attack. A Brit so frail he gets knocked out by a keyboard

joe ricky carl and many listed ARE NOT all time greats. Good/HOF IS NOT great

the rest are fine fighters but pale in comparison to Black-American ATGs

great boxers but far from level with Sugar Ray Leonard Joe Louis Ezzard Charles Mayweather Hagler Whitaker

and the list goes on and on

and on and on

to the MILLIONS and MILLIONS

to pretend ethnic Brits have parity is disingenuous

nationalism

not quite

I’m of neither of these countries nor ethnic groups

this puts me in the best position to be uniquely qualified and objective

Past AND present I’d rank it as:

Black-Americans then Mexicans then Latinos as a whole then Russians then Brits > Continental Europeans

Tyson Fury is the most special guy to come out of Britain recently. I guess they claim him
what do you mean by this. What are the tuff countries

They are ATG's. Tell me how you come to the conclusion of a fighter being a great or not?

Did you just say Joe Louis? Name all the world class fighters he beat who were prime or close to it?

Not one of these are on the level of a Kid Lewis, Fitzsimmons, Charley White, Freddie Welsh etc etc... Their resumes p1ss all over there's. But we can't get to that until you answer the original question. But you didn't even know they existed. Before it was "Bob Fitzsimmons is the only ethnic Brit that was a bad ass who was in the dark ages" LOL. Now i've given fighters who came after Fitz, it's all "They're fine fighters blah blah blah...".

This is about Russians beating more world class Mexicans and Black Americans than Brits. You're yet to give a list of wins though. Try giving a list of wins for Mexicans and Black Americans over us and see if it competes with my list over them? All you're doing is deflecting.

You're not American? Where are you from then? Are you going to refuse to answer that as well?

[Sid-Knee]

This thread is typical. Some knowledge offered, but the class prefers throwing paper airplanes.
Reading the perceptions relating to ethnicity and nationalism is....is what it is.
Jimmy McLarnin, BTW, was born in Occupied Northern Ireland but didn't begin a pro career until he moved to Canada, and the United States. You might argue he's a British fighter, but you'd leave the discussion open to a goodly number of post 1960 British ones actually being Jamaican, Nigerian, etc.

When McLarnin moved to Canada, Canada was part of the British Empire. He and his family moved to British territory.

Who are these fighters who were Nigerian or Jamaican after the 1960's? I'm talking about being born and raised in these countries.

[SouthpawRight]

They are ATG's. Tell me how you come to the conclusion of a fighter being a great or not?

Did you just say Joe Louis? Name all the world class fighters he beat who were prime or close to it?

Not one of these are on the level of a Kid Lewis, Fitzsimmons, Charley White, Freddie Welsh etc etc... Their resumes p1ss all over there's. But we can't get to that until you answer the original question. But you didn't even know they existed. Before it was "Bob Fitzsimmons is the only ethnic Brit that was a bad ass who was in the dark ages" LOL. Now i've given fighters who came after Fitz, it's all "They're fine fighters blah blah blah...".

This is about Russians beating more world class Mexicans and Black Americans than Brits. You're yet to give a list of wins though. Try giving a list of wins for Mexicans and Black Americans over us and see if it competes with my list over them? All you're doing is deflecting.

You're not American? Where are you from then? Are you going to refuse to answer that as well?

Because you’re ez

Black-Americans are greater even with the wins you keep alluding to

You know this

I know this

Every Brit alive knows it

These wins remain as allusions by you rather than citation for good reason

I forgive you from starting from a highly faulty premise

You had one too many pints at the pub mate

Nitpicking the great Joe Louis as if an exception disproves the rule

A comedic scouser

With a burst of patriotic rage

Tomorrow I will wish your American cousins their long independence from the Crown

[Sid-Knee]

Because you’re ez

Black-Americans are greater even with the wins you keep alluding to

You know this

I know this

Every Brit alive knows it

These wins remain as allusions by you rather than citation for good reason

I forgive you from starting from a highly faulty premise

You had one too many pints at the pub mate

Nitpicking the great Joe Louis as if an exception disproves the rule

A comedic scouser

With a burst of patriotic rage

Tomorrow I will wish your American cousins their long independence from the Crown

You don't know anything. It's why you keep refusing to answer a straight question. Trolling are we? Who wishes to set up an account to troll Brits? Someone who is bitter about getting bounced by us all the time so needs to feed on nonsense like this. You're like every other alt account. They ask silly questions at first to try and prove they're not a troll. Then they get to the stuff they're really here for. It's boring and predicatable.

Why are you too scared to tell me where you're from? Who, other than Americans, uses the word "Limey"?