Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Just The Latest In A Long Line To Be In Denial About Defeat

[Roberto Vasquez]

Ya, ya, ya. Fury's a pain in the arse. I agree.

But let's be honest too. A guy who shuts out still reigning Wladimir Klitschko and goes in three times with the biggest puncher of the era is NOT going to be "afraid of" anyone else in the division.

Who? Joshua? Show me he can go 12 rounds with an in shape Ruiz.

Parker? That's his sparring partner for pete's sake.

Just saying for balance.

I am all for balance but your post falls down at the start - because Fury constantly mocked Wlad saying he would be too scared to take the *contracted* rematch. And as soon as Wlad took it - Fury retired and also took a 2 year backdated PED ban in that period.

Really Fury is scared of everyone (remember how he avoided David Price?). You do have to give him credit for taking the Wilder fights but then he *really* believed Wilder could never hit him on the chin (he said it again and again and called Wilder a "windmiller") before the first fight. That went well....

Joshua - Ruiz is unique because Ruiz could take his hardest punches. That first fight - no one else would have survived that punch Ruiz took after he got up from the 1st knockdown. BUT Joshua came back for more against Ruiz - win or lose. At the time Fury and Wilder were telling interviewers that AJ should take a warm-up fight first (they really did) Joshua also came back for more against Uysk and also took both fights straight away. No messing around.

This is the point I'm making. I'm not saying AJ is better than Fury. I don't know he is. I honesty would be a fan of Fury (and I was a fan once) if he took on live top-10 guys but you know if he does beat Usyk - he will basically retire or do everything he can to avoid defending against anyone good. The guy has only ever successfully defended his titles 3 times. The first ever HW boxer to fight a MMA guy to avoid fighting for undisputed!

[Left Hook Louie]

Nah...not buying the lack of focus eh.

Fury's tactics were totally to showboat and clown hoping to put Usyk off. It didn't work and there was no plan B.

It's in his nature to be a goofy giant just like it is in Usyks to be a steely eyed warrior.

HAHAHA, that has a very funny ring to it.
I'd say it's not just his nature, it's his physical / corporeal being as well.
Put him in a live-action Shrek remake.

[Left Hook Louie]

A dominant 9th round was pretty much what the fight will be remembered as.

Fury was lost at sea after that and if he'd tried to press the action too much in the championship rounds would have opened himself up to getting starched good and proper.

I doubt he can actually remember much in real time during the fight and if he rewatched but edited out the 9th round then sure. He'd think he won.

For training purposes they should probably just show the 9th round on loop while he's in the gym.

This (in bold above) is good analysis of Fury's post-fight thought processes (or lack thereof) given the concussive beating he took in Round 9.
Well put, OP.
Good lord, his ugly melon-head got absolutely hammered.

[The plunger man]

Being imbued with self-confidence may be one, crucial factor in boxing, more so than in non-combat sports, due to its inherent danger. That being said, Usyk is not exactly the same kind of boxer as Mike Tyson, not one to instill quite the same sort of fear in the heart of his opponents, and Fury is the bigger man by far. So, one should not exaggerate the importance of self-belief. Even to the extent that it is indeed crucial, it would play an especially important role in the days leading up to the rematch, and during the fight itself. But Fury is now at a stage when a healthy dose of intellectual honesty would be required, to dissect the initial fight and identify where it was lost, in order to take corrective action. Does he need to be in better shape ? Was his defense effective ? Was he aggressive enough ? Was he able to take advantage of those few uppercuts that actually rocked Usyk ? Pretending he was the better man on May 18th will not help him improve and make required adjustements in preparation for the rematch.

usyk has intimidation and fear in another way….he breaks you down mentally because he has so many ways to win, he is the smaller man and yet he has you chicken dancing from ring post
to ring post , you have your best spell in the fight and then he comes out and steps it up to a level you just can’t keep up with , his fitness is on another level , he is always in range and his has this mental fortitude that will also break you…..Usyk is a monster albeit in a different way to what Mike Tyson was…..Tyson gave up when he was losing a fight usyk just presses over drive and whizzes past you

[The plunger man]

I believe i had it 7-5 Usyk with extra point for the standing 8. I had it 4-2 Fury after 6 but then Usyk took control in my opinion. I think Fury got too comfortable & ****y after those couple of dominant rounds. He started showboating & was convinced he had the “midget” right where he wanted him.

Usyk made adjustments & took it up another level. I believe Fury thought he had the fight in the bag after the 6th & was not prepared for what happened in the 2nd half. I think the rematch will be very interesting. Fury will make adjustments & won’t be showboating when having good moments.

I think Usyk should be favoured due to his 2nd half adjustments but I refuse to count Fury out. When Fury had success he was going to the body. After the 6th I told the guy beside me at the bar that Fury needs to keep up the 2 punch combos to the body then grab & lean on him. Make the ref have to break them up. Slow Usyk down by leaning & tying him up. He never did this & it is what cost him the fight in my opinion.

Usyk is the best HW on planet for a reason. He made adjustments. His superior stamina & technical skills took over. I’m still convinced that if Fury would have slowed the fight down & leaned on him steady after the 6th round it could have been a different result. Fury got overconfident & had no answer for Usyk’s 2nd half surge. I look forward to the rematch.

in the bag after 6 lol….joe are you for real that’s half the fight only. Even if fury was up 4-2 after 6 which he wasn’t usyk then won 8,9,10,11 and 12 and that’s a total of 5 round plus Tyson losing a point for the knockdown…..fury did not win until round 4 and then he had 5,6 and a close 7 and then usyk then completely took over again.
it was not close and usyk completely dominated the last 3rd of the fight and fury should have been stopped

[The plunger man]

It was a close fight that could have went either way and it's always sad when fans attack one another over their opinions with close fights. We should all be thankful we got entertained by world class athletes and blessed we get another one to settle the score once and for all. Perhaps a trilogy of Fury wins. Relax everyone and enjoy the fights. People who think Fury won (me included) should be fine with the outcome because it truly was close and I can sure see how someone could have scored that fight for Usyk as well.

no it couldn’t have gone either way and if went fury’s way it would have been a travesty it’s that simple….stick to body building fella

[letsgochump]

The Tipsy King consists of fear, greed and delusion.

He was afraid of Usyk for a reason. He overpriced himself to avoid the fight. When the excellent saudis offered him a gigantic paycheck his greed wrestled a win from his fear and he took the money. He took a bad loss getting hit more than Joshua did and his delusion is now strong trying to convince himself that he was treated unfairly.

He was such a hater of Twerkin’ Deontay when he was crying about his suit and autopsies and relaxants etc. Now he’s copy pasting the same method.

After ducking Joshua, trying to duck Usyk, ducking Wlad rematch, cherrypicking Schwarz, almost losing to his cherry picks in Wallin and Ngannou, trying to duck Wilder III, lying countless times etc. it’s glorious to see that on top of being a duck and a horrible champion, he is also an ATG at being a sore loser.

Usyk won 8-4 and 9th was a 10-7. Usyk’s jaw and eye socket are fine. It’s Fury who’s ego that was bruised and battered and his fans that are broken and shattered.

[Shrap]

All due respect, it was not a "could go either way" fight. We ought to stop saying that about every conceivably close fight. Scoring may be subjective but that doesn't excuse outright poor judging. Any scorecard that had Fury winning seven rounds or more is simply a bad scorecard.

Usyk clearly won six rounds (1, 2, 8, 9, 10, 11), Fury clearly won three rounds (4, 5, 6) and the other three (3, 7, 12) were closer and up for debate. Depending on how you score the close rounds you could end up with a final tally ranging anywhere from 117-110 Usyk to 114-113 Usyk, with the most commonly held scores being 116-111 and 115-112.

Conceivably a close fight score-wise, not a fight that could have gone either way.

Well said. This is spot on and as objective as possible.

[dannnnn]

It was a close fight that could have went either way and it's always sad when fans attack one another over their opinions with close fights. We should all be thankful we got entertained by world class athletes and blessed we get another one to settle the score once and for all. Perhaps a trilogy of Fury wins. Relax everyone and enjoy the fights. People who think Fury won (me included) should be fine with the outcome because it truly was close and I can sure see how someone could have scored that fight for Usyk as well.

All due respect, it was not a "could go either way" fight. We ought to stop saying that about every conceivably close fight. Scoring may be subjective but that doesn't excuse outright poor judging. Any scorecard that had Fury winning seven rounds or more is simply a bad scorecard.

Usyk clearly won six rounds (1, 2, 8, 9, 10, 11), Fury clearly won three rounds (4, 5, 6) and the other three (3, 7, 12) were closer and up for debate. Depending on how you score the close rounds you could end up with a final tally ranging anywhere from 117-110 Usyk to 114-113 Usyk, with the most commonly held scores being 116-111 and 115-112.

Conceivably a close fight score-wise, not a fight that could have gone either way.

[archiemoore1]

I feel for Fury. He got his ass whipped and he still doesn't even know it.