Comments Thread For: Tank, Benavidez and the Ongoing Search for a Post-Floyd American Boxing Superstar

[Poopdick]

At no point did I post that so to suggest I am acting like it is completely dishonest.

At no point did I say or act like Shakur needs to fight anyone to fight Tank.

Dude, just admit you made a mistake. Now you’re making up stuff I didn’t post.

You can’t change the fact the independent rankings most posters go by has Martin #5 at LW. This seems to make you angry because it shows your criticism of Tank is a bit over exaggerated.

Should he have fought Loma and Shakur by now, absolutely. Does that make his resume garbage, of course not.

You don’t like Tank, ok. Don’t use that hatred to rank Martin as an opponent. That is weak.

that what tank said i said

[GhostofDempsey]

I disagree with the premise that anyone hands off the earning power or superstardom. It's organic , either you've that " it factor" or you don't. It's not something that there's a formula for though there are ingredients. Floyd got there because he was polarizing , he learned from Wrasslin to play a " Heel Character" , being talented and undefeated didn't hurt , but lots of people watched hoping to see him lose. The money spends the same if they love you or hate you.
Exciting fights , power, and heart are three ingredients. Charisma is another .It helps if a guy is a little vulnerable in the ring , one of the most exciting things about boxing is seeing someone overcome adversity, being tested and passing the test. It's a lot harder these days to become a star from boxing because people have to go looking for you. They practically have to already be a boxing fan to even know anything about you. In a lot of ways , boxing has done it to itself by being shortsighted and greedy. Hiding fights on subscription services and PPV. Even in the HBO and Showtime days , HBO and Showtime were popular, most people had at least one if not both. How many people have DAZN or Prime Video ?

Except Floyd wasn't "playing the heel" he really was a heel and a villain. But to your point, it helps to have some sort of angle, charisma or fan-appeal to become a boxing superstar. Fighting style and talent plays a role as well. Gatti wasn't a polished fighter or great boxer, but he put fans in seats with his fan-friendly style and heart. Manny was very talented yet a humble and polite gentleman who didn't need to degrade anyone or ham it up for the cameras.

[daggum]

Of course you would because you have no Integrity or credibility when it comes to ranking boxers.

As other posters have noted multiple times, when it’s a guy you like- GGG for example- you discuss only where the boxer is ranked. When it’s an American boxer, in particular a black boxer, you always question the opponent rankings and then try to diminish them.

That is so incredibly biased. But it is who you are.

no. hes just not a strong top 5 guy or a guy that really deserves to be there at all. the guys ggg fought that were in the top 5 all had notable fights when he fought them: canelo, murata, jacobs, lemieux, murray, macklin, geale, etc..martin hasnt had any. you dont see the difference between an unproven guy and a proven guy? honestly willie monroe had a better resume than frank martin and he wasnt even in the top 10. pretty sure hes a black american so you are way off base with that comment.

[The Big Dunn]

no. hes just not a strong top 5 guy or a guy that really deserves to be there at all. the guys ggg fought that were in the top 5 all had notable fights when he fought them: canelo, murata, jacobs, lemieux, murray, macklin, geale, etc..martin hasnt had any. you dont see the difference between an unproven guy and a proven guy? honestly willie monroe had a better resume than frank martin and he wasnt even in the top 10. pretty sure hes a black american so you are way off base with that comment.

Your bias is coming through.

The same TBRB that ranked all of them, ranks Martin. You can’t just arbitrarily decide which top 5 to go with.

You have been called out by a few posters for this before daggum.

For the sake of your credibility, just stop.

[daggum]

At no point did I post that so to suggest I am acting like it is completely dishonest.

At no point did I say or act like Shakur needs to fight anyone to fight Tank.

Dude, just admit you made a mistake. Now you’re making up stuff I didn’t post.

You can’t change the fact the independent rankings most posters go by has Martin #5 at LW. This seems to make you angry because it shows your criticism of Tank is a bit over exaggerated.

Should he have fought Loma and Shakur by now, absolutely. Does that make his resume garbage, of course not.

You don’t like Tank, ok. Don’t use that hatred to rank Martin as an opponent. That is weak.

tank has been at "championship" level for 7 and a half years now and hes only fighting his first top 5 guy now. tank has been headlining shows and doing ppvs etc...and hes only now fighting his first top 5 opponent. that is worthy of criticism. also you are making very poor comparisons with ggg and other fighters. ggg and other fighters did not avoid the top guys to fight mid-level guys. tank is doing just that. ggg would have jumped at a fight with martinez or cotto. ggg literally was signed to fight pirog in his first ever american fight. ggg literally sent offers to saunders, quillin, sturm, etc...tank is doing none of that. if tank were actually attempting to make good fights and he ended up with martin then hey thats cool at least he tried. hes not trying! this was his first choice! just like santa cruz, hector garcia, gamboa, etc...were all his first choices.

[The Big Dunn]

tank has been at "championship" level for 7 and a half years now and hes only fighting his first top 5 guy now. tank has been headlining shows and doing ppvs etc...and hes only now fighting his first top 5 opponent. that is worthy of criticism. also you are making very poor comparisons with ggg and other fighters. ggg and other fighters did not avoid the top guys to fight mid-level guys. tank is doing just that. ggg would have jumped at a fight with martinez or cotto. ggg literally was signed to fight pirog in his first ever american fight. ggg literally sent offers to saunders, quillin, sturm, etc...tank is doing none of that. if tank were actually attempting to make good fights and he ended up with martin then hey thats cool at least he tried. hes not trying! this was his first choice! just like santa cruz, hector garcia, gamboa, etc...were all his first choices.

Pedrazza was a top 5 opponent. Please dude just stop.

[daggum]

Your bias is coming through.

The same TBRB that ranked all of them, ranks Martin. You can’t just arbitrarily decide which top 5 to go with.

You have been called out by a few posters for this before daggum.

For the sake of your credibility, just stop.

straw man? when did i say i wasnt going to give tank credit for fighting a top 5 guy? never. said the opposite in fact. just think hes a weak top 5 guy. i didnt think the guys ggg fought in the top 5 were weak. they were actually proven. whats so hard to understand about that? also ggg tried to fight all the top guys before settling on an opponent of the caliber like frank martin. tank ducks all the top guys and chooses to fight frank martin, hector garcia, gamboa, santa cruz, etc...big difference dont you think?

[daggum]

Pedrazza was a top 5 opponent. Please dude just stop.

he was not. he was ranked #6 by the ring.

[The Big Dunn]

straw man? when did i say i wasnt going to give tank credit for fighting a top 5 guy? never. said the opposite in fact. just think hes a weak top 5 guy. i didnt think the guys ggg fought in the top 5 were weak. they were actually proven. whats so hard to understand about that? also ggg tried to fight all the top guys before settling on an opponent of the caliber like frank martin. tank ducks all the top guys and chooses to fight frank martin, hector garcia, gamboa, santa cruz, etc...big difference dont you think?

Not a straw man. Proof of your bias.

You think Martin is weak only because it’s Tank. When GGG beat Ouma, you acted like he beat prime Kasim.

Stop giving artificial credit when he didn’t fight the guys.

Tank has not fought Loma. Loma hasn’t fought Shakur. As I said many times, Tank could’ve fought both.

Geez dude enough.

[The Big Dunn]

he was not. he was ranked #6 by the ring.

Where was he in TBRB?