Comments Thread For: Matchroom Nearing Replacement to Match With 'Boots' Ennis

[Pac=Duran]

Burns, Gamboa, Beltran, and Postol were all fantastic wins at the time. You clearly weren't even watching the lightweight and super lightweight divisions back then.

No credit for Gamboa. He's 5 ft 4 and the worst chin ever.

Burns Beltran are just OK. Postol was good

[Pac=Duran]

Burns, Gamboa, Beltran, and Postol were all fantastic wins at the time. You clearly weren't even watching the lightweight and super lightweight divisions back then.

People are calling P4P number 1 though. His record should be deeper.

[edpboxing]

Has Giyasov been confirmed ?

[famicommander]

No credit for Gamboa. He's 5 ft 4 and the worst chin ever.

Burns Beltran are just OK. Postol was good

Gamboa was undefeated, a reigning interim lightweight world titlist, a former interim super featherweight world titlist, a former unified featherweight world titlist, titlist, and the #7 ranked fighter in the division at the time of the fight. That's who Gervonta Davis beat for the lightweight belt he's currently carrying around, five years after Crawford knocked him out.

Burns was a former titlist, a reigning titlist, AND a future titlist when Crawford beat him. Three divisions.

And Beltran was quite literally the best available opponent. It was for the vacant lineal, TBRB, and Ring Magazine championships and Beltran won his next 6 fights including the WBO world title (and popped for PEDs) after the Crawford loss.

Context is everything, you can't just think about the 2024 versions of Gamboa or Beltran. Crawford beat them at their best.

[famicommander]

People are calling P4P number 1 though. His record should be deeper.

He's literally one of 4 men in the 3/4 belt eras (along with Holyfield, Inoue, and Usyk) to be undisputed in two divisions.

He's one of 9 men in the history of boxing (along with Fitzsimmons, Ross, Armstrong, Canzoneri, Leonard, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao) to be lineal champion in three or more divisions.

Crawford has a great case for P4P #1. So does Naoya Inoue, and so does Oleksandr Usyk. Any of the three is a great choice, nobody else is in the conversation.

[Pac=Duran]

He's literally one of 4 men in the 3/4 belt eras (along with Holyfield, Inoue, and Usyk) to be undisputed in two divisions.

He's one of 9 men in the history of boxing (along with Fitzsimmons, Ross, Armstrong, Canzoneri, Leonard, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao) to be lineal champion in three or more divisions.

Crawford has a great case for P4P #1. So does Naoya Inoue, and so does Oleksandr Usyk. Any of the three is a great choice, nobody else is in the conversation.

He beat nothing but bums for his first lineal championship.

Accumulation of belt doesn't even matter its about who you beat to get to top of the heap. Who did that Charlo beat to become.undisputed? I cant even remember.

[famicommander]

He beat nothing but bums for his first lineal championship.

Accumulation of belt doesn't even matter its about who you beat to get to top of the heap. Who did that Charlo beat to become.undisputed? I cant even remember.

You are a clown. Beating Burns, Gamboa, and Beltran in three straight fights to become lineal champion is an excellent run.

[Pac=Duran]

You are a clown. Beating Burns, Gamboa, and Beltran in three straight fights to become lineal champion is an excellent run.

That just ain't gonna.cut it for P4P number 1 discussion.

They are all B- type fighters. Also you forgot aboit Indongo lmao

The literal Namibian police sergeant.

[Oregonian]

Boots has nothing to offer. Weak resume, not a big name, and the only belt he has is one Crawford already vacated in a division he already completely unified. All Ennis has to do is go to 154 and win a belt and Crawford will come take it from him. If Ennis wants to fight Crawford his next opponent should be IBF 154 titlist Murtazaliev. Simple as that.

Because if Crawford doesn't get the Canelo fight, his stated goal is to be undisputed at 154. Absent Canelo he's going to fight Madrimov, then the Fundora/Spence winner, then the IBF titlist.

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You seem like a reasonable person so please humor me - if Boots has nothing to offer, please do tell what Avanesyan, Kavaliauskas, Brook and Khan had to offer?
Also, before Crawford signed on to fight Madrinov, 95% of boxing fans had no idea who he was. Boots is a much more established name in the US than Madrinov could ever dream to be so why fight that guy and clearly duck Boots?

Do you believe Madrinov, at 10-0-1is a more established name than Boots in the US at least? I’m sure you’ll bring the “he brings a belt” to the table and I will ask you what exactly did the four horsemen in mention bring to the table?

[famicommander]

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You seem like a reasonable person so please humor me - if Boots has nothing to offer, please do tell what Avanesyan, Kavaliauskas, Brook and Khan had to offer?
Also, before Crawford signed on to fight Madrinov, 95% of boxing fans had no idea who he was. Boots is a much more established name in the US than Madrinov could ever dream to be so why fight that guy and clearly duck Boots?

Do you believe Madrinov, at 10-0-1is a more established name than Boots in the US at least? I’m sure you’ll bring the “he brings a belt” to the table and I will ask you what exactly did the four horsemen in mention bring to the table?

Those were the best fights available to Crawford when he was with Top Rank. He was being frozen out by the PBC fighters (Thurman, Spence, Garcia, Ugas, Pacquiao, etc).But Avanesyan and Kavaliauskas were both TBRB and Ring top 10 rated opponents, those were good fights to take. Brook and Khan were purely about the names.

What about Boots? Why did Boots fight scrubs like Karen, Lo Greco, Clayton, and the ghost of Dulorme instead of ranked contenders or big names? The only TBRB ranked opponent Boots has ever faced was Villa. Why didn't he face Santillan, Stanionis, Barrios, Norman, Cissokho? Why didn't he build his profile by fighting Collazo or Brook or Khan or Garcia or Berto or Alexander or Guerrero? There are plenty of old warhorses with names still floating about. But Boots didn't fight the ranked contenders and he didn't fight the names, minus Lipinets. He just sat around and cried for a megafight like Demetrius Andrade did.

As far as Madrimov or Ennis for Crawford?

Ennis for a belt he already dropped
or
Madrimov for the WBA and WBO titles plus WBC mandatory status in a brand new division

That's an absolute no-brainer. You cannot possibly believe it benefits Crawford more to fight a completely untested guy for a belt he already dropped than to become champion in a fourth weight class.

And, don't forget that he originally enforced his mandatory status against Tszyu, not Madrimov. Tszyu took the Fundora fight and lost, then Fundora dropped a belt to duck Crawford, so Crawford picked the next best champion in the division.