Comments Thread For: Matchroom Nearing Replacement to Match With 'Boots' Ennis

[Gary Coleman]

Burns, Gamboa, Beltran, and Postol were all fantastic wins at the time. You clearly weren't even watching the lightweight and super lightweight divisions back then.

Fantastic? You're overselling a weak division.

[famicommander]

Fantastic? You're overselling a weak division.

First of all, it was two divisions. Postol was the lineal fight at 140. And no, I'm not overselling anything. I was watching these fights as they happened, I remember the context surrounding them.

And even if the division were weak... he's a three division lineal king. Do you know how many weak divisions there have been throughout the history of boxing? There's a reason that only nine men have been lineal in three divisions. Because it's ridiculously hard. If it were an accomplishment you could cherry-pick your way to by fighting in "weak" divisions a lot more than just nine HOF guys would've been three division lineal champions by now.

[Gary Coleman]

First of all, it was two divisions. Postol was the lineal fight at 140. And no, I'm not overselling anything. I was watching these fights as they happened, I remember the context surrounding them.

And even if the division were weak... he's a three division lineal king. Do you know how many weak divisions there have been throughout the history of boxing? There's a reason that only nine men have been lineal in three divisions. Because it's ridiculously hard. If it were an accomplishment you could cherry-pick your way to by fighting in "weak" divisions a lot more than just nine HOF guys would've been three division lineal champions by now.

He did what he had to do and beat who was in front of him. I can't knock that.

Resume is still weak and there's nothing you can do to change that.

[famicommander]

He did what he had to do and beat who was in front of him. I can't knock that.

Resume is still weak and there's nothing you can do to change that.

His resume is one of the three strongest in all of boxing and you haven't made a single coherent argument against that. Only Inoue and Usyk are in the conversation with him.

[Gary Coleman]

His resume is one of the three strongest in all of boxing and you haven't made a single coherent argument against that. Only Inoue and Usyk are in the conversation with him.

Listen. Crawford has skills - that's easy to see - but you are completely dismissing the level of competition he beat. He's been the best at 135, 140 and 147. Noted, but the guys he beat are lackluster for the all-time praise he's being given.

It's ok, you can admit it. Bud is still arguably P4P #1, but the facts are the facts.

If you feel the need to drag this on further, go ahead and name Bud's 3 best wins and I'll come over the top with the 3 best wins of guys who came before him.

Crawford's will pale by comparison.

[illwill085]

Just move up. There's nothing there at 147 you fvkcing bum

Move up and become high risk low reward to the same guys that ran from him at 47. Maybe, he will defend the belt and petition for 154. Calling someone a bum cause spence and bud ran from him makes a lot of sense. Je put himself in position and called them out.

[Teetotaler83]

Move up and become high risk low reward to the same guys that ran from him at 47. Maybe, he will defend the belt and petition for 154. Calling someone a bum cause spence and bud ran from him makes a lot of sense. Je put himself in position and called them out.

Yes bud ran from him which is why booty turned down the fight, a chance at a belt and his biggest payday lmao clown. But let him stay at 147 and fight bums and smaller guys and you fools will keep calling him special instead of wanting him to move up and fight guys his own size where the division is way better

[MulaKO]

Move up and become high risk low reward to the same guys that ran from him at 47. Maybe, he will defend the belt and petition for 154. Calling someone a bum cause spence and bud ran from him makes a lot of sense. Je put himself in position and called them out.

Ran from him ???
Lmfao
Was to be Bud’s mando but then decided to change route
Thats’s what you call running ???
Can’t make this chit up

[IronDanHamza]

First of all, it was two divisions. Postol was the lineal fight at 140. And no, I'm not overselling anything. I was watching these fights as they happened, I remember the context surrounding them.

And even if the division were weak... he's a three division lineal king. Do you know how many weak divisions there have been throughout the history of boxing? There's a reason that only nine men have been lineal in three divisions. Because it's ridiculously hard. If it were an accomplishment you could cherry-pick your way to by fighting in "weak" divisions a lot more than just nine HOF guys would've been three division lineal champions by now.

Very much doubt you were watching boxing back then. Seems quite the opposite, where by you're looking at the rankings and making massive, out of context assumptions.

You're really trying to consider Ray Beltran an "excellent" win because he was ranked #1? That's like considering Baldomir an excellent win for Mayweather because he was ranked #1.

Beltran was only ranked there because he was robbed against Ricky Burns, as a massive underdog by the way, for good reason. That was supposed to be a routine defense because Beltran is an average fighter AT BEST. If anything, all that fight showed is Ricky Burns limitations as a fighter, who whilst was a decent fighter and massively overachieved in his career, he was very far from an elite fighter. Those are solid wins sure but it's no where close an "excellent run".

Furthermore, that Lightweight division was painfully weak. A whole lot weaker than the heavyweight division is today for example, the same division where you dismiss fighters rankings due to that and label them "bums" but then on the flipside of that consider Ray Beltran of all people an "excellent win" because it was for the vacant Lineage.

Are you not seeing the glaring double standard in that line of thinking or are you even dumber than I originally thought?

[famicommander]

Very much doubt you were watching boxing back then. Seems quite the opposite, where by you're looking at the rankings and making massive, out of context assumptions.

You're really trying to consider Ray Beltran an "excellent" win because he was ranked #1? That's like considering Baldomir an excellent win for Mayweather because he was ranked #1.

Beltran was only ranked there because he was robbed against Ricky Burns, as a massive underdog by the way, for good reason. That was supposed to be a routine defense because Beltran is an average fighter AT BEST. If anything, all that fight showed is Ricky Burns limitations as a fighter, who whilst was a decent fighter and massively overachieved in his career, he was very far from an elite fighter. Those are solid wins sure but it's no where close an "excellent run".

Furthermore, that Lightweight division was painfully weak. A whole lot weaker than the heavyweight division is today for example, the same division where you dismiss fighters rankings due to that and label them "bums" but then on the flipside of that consider Ray Beltran of all people an "excellent win" because it was for the vacant Lineage.

Are you not seeing the glaring double standard in that line of thinking or are you even dumber than I originally thought?

Terence Crawford:
W vs #3 Ricky Burns UD 12 (fmr. WBO 130; reigning WBO 135; future WBA 140)
W vs #7 Yuriorkis Gamboa TKO 9 (fmr. WBA/IBF 126)
W vs #2 Raymundo Beltran UD 12 (future WBO 135)
W vs #9 Thomas Dulorme TKO 6
W vs #1 Viktor Postol UD 12 (reigning WBC 140)
W vs #3 John Molina TKO 8
W vs #9 Felix Diaz RTD 10 (Diaz ranked at 147, fight at 140)
W vs #1 Julius Indongo KO 3 (reigning WBA/IBF 140)
W vs #4 Jeff Horn TKO 9 (reigning WBO 147)
W vs Amir Khan TKO 6 (fmr. WBA/IBF 140)
W vs #10 Egidijus Kavaliauskas TKO 9
W vs Kell Brook TKO 4 (fmr. IBF 147)
W vs #4 Shawn Porter TKO 10 (fmr. IBF 147; WBC 147)
W vs #9 David Avanesyan KO 6
W vs #1 Errol Spence Jr. TKO 9 (reigning WBA/WBC/IBF 147)

Other notable victories: Breidis Prescott, Andrey Klimov, Dierry Jean, Hank Lundy, Jose Benavidez Jr

13-0 vs top 10
8-0 vs top 5
4-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Crawford was #1)
10-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
5-0 vs reigning world titlists
3-0 in unification fights
18-0 in world title fights
6-0 in lineal world championship fights
40-0-0-0 overall record, 31 KOs

135: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBO
140: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
147: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed

3 division lineal world champion
2 division undisputed world champion
3 division world titlist