Wilder fought Stiverne in his 33rd fight. Joe Joyce fought Stiverne in his 8th

[Pac=Duran]

Lessons here

[famicommander]

Wilder fought him in 2015 when he was the reigning WBC heavyweight champion, on a 13 fight unbeaten streak, and the #4 ranked TBRB fighter, #2 ranked Ring fighter.

Joyce fought him in 2019 when he was unranked, coming off his 3rd loss which was a 1st round obliteration by Wilder 17 months prior, and a career high 273 pounds.

Put down the crack pipe.

[Toffee]

You can go right through the CV. Pick anyone.

In his 25th fight he fought Damon McCreary. McCreary was coming off a 2 year absence since winning a decision in a 4 rounder. That fight was his only one in 5 years.

You can talk about knockout ratios but what is a knockout like that worth? McCreary fought 7 more times, losing 6, and never made it beyond the 2nd round.

Fury's 25th fight was Klitschko. Joshua's was a mandatory in Pulev having been a champion since his 16th fight.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Wilder turned pro at 23 after a short but successful amateur career. Only about 35 fights I believe including the Olympic Bronze.

Joyce turned pro at 32 after an extensive and successful amateur career. Multiple ABA titles, Commonwealth Gold, Olympic Silver, World and European Bronze.

It’s not rocket science really, why one was moved slowly whilst the other had to be moved to quickly in terms of progression.

[famicommander]

Wilder turned pro at 23 after a short but successful amateur career. Only about 35 fights I believe including the Olympic Bronze.

Joyce turned pro at 32 after an extensive and successful amateur career. Multiple ABA titles, Commonwealth Gold, Olympic Silver, World and European Bronze.

It’s not rocket science really, why one was moved slowly whilst the other had to be moved to quickly in terms of progression.

Very good points, and again, Wilder fought him when he was the reigning WBC champion and a consensus top 4 fighter in the independent rankings. Joyce fought him when he was 273 pounds and coming off a 17 month layoff after Wilder absolutely mauled him in the rematch.

[The D3vil]

Joe Joyce was 34 at the time when he fought Stiverne.

Wilder was 29 when he fought Stiverne, genius

Plus, Stiverne was the champion, so Wilder had to fight him to win the title.