Comments Thread For: Ostarine, Contamination and Intent: Where Does the Ryan Garcia Case Stand?

[IronDanHamza]

Can you name me at least one dietary supplement that contained a cross contamination of Ostarine in it? I can’t think of one.

However, as far as Steroids are concerned; Sure there have been many cases of dietary supplements which have had trace amounts of steroids in them.

Do you know why? It’s because steroids are legal in the U.S. but Ostarine is not.

Steroids are both manufactured, distributed and sold on the open market to different pharmaceutical companies.

However, Ostarine is not. You have to look for it in order to find it because it’s availability on the open market is non- existent.

Osatrine is a SARM, there's many supplements that get contaminated with them, Ostarine probably being one of the main ones.

The link the poster shared touched on it;

""The US Anti-Doping Agency’s (USADA) Supplement 411 resource lists over 200 supplements that contain SARMs; 98 that specifically contain Ostarine; and nine that specifically contain S-23. In 2017, USADA issued a warning about Ostarine in supplements that it updated in 2019. This specified that there are 72 products on USADA’s High Risk List that contain Ostarine, including 19 where it isn’t declared on the label.""

Source:
https://www.sportsintegrityinitiativ...contamination/

[smith3536]

with all this info out there and 19 that contain ostarine not shown on the label, u would be a fool just to start consuming random supplements like ryan claims he did, or cheating of course, so which is it, a fool or a cheat, or possibly both?

The ball is in the court of the legal team who need to prove it was unintentional.
If the legal team proves that it was not intentional, I believe the suspension is 6 months. This is because the athlete is responsible for everything he ingests. But then it depends on each entity. The athlete in the linked article proved that it was contamination and was cleared (with reduced punishment).

Contamination can come from the raw material or even the machine (do not follow cleaning protocol) through cross-contamination depending on the substance. There is no perfect production, note that even an airplane can fail.

As for medicines, China usually supply the raw materials for supplements. Therefore, any supplement is subject to contamination because control in the supply chain is done by sampling. It is not possible to test all batches because of the cost. This applies to any factory that works with large volumes.

[Smash]

The ball is in the court of the legal team who need to prove it was unintentional.
If the legal team proves that it was not intentional, I believe the suspension is 6 months. This is because the athlete is responsible for everything he ingests. But then it depends on each entity. The athlete in the linked article proved that it was contamination and was cleared (with reduced punishment).

and how do you prove contamination?

ryan has sent 2 open containers, how does anyone know he didnt contaminate them himself?
if he has close closed batch numbers of these substances that are contaminated that would help his case but it doesnt definitely apply to his own supplements
i dont think there is any way in most cases to prove or disprove contamination, u are going to believe what the athlete is saying to you or you are not, very few people get caught out with anything other than trace amounts of banned substances because if they are cheating they are always trying to stay ahead of the testers, from what i read its a cat and mouse game, some get caught some dont

[smith3536]

and how do you prove contamination?

ryan has sent 2 open containers, how does anyone know he didnt contaminate them himself?
if he has close closed batch numbers of these substances that are contaminated that would help his case but it doesnt definitely apply to his own supplements
i dont think there is any way in most cases to prove or disprove contamination, u are going to believe what the athlete is saying to you or you are not, very few people get caught out with anything other than trace amounts of banned substances because if they are cheating they are always trying to stay ahead of the testers, from what i read its a cat and mouse game, some get caught some dont

Products are produced in batches. If a batch is contaminated, just obtain samples from the same sealed batch for testing. The article itself mentions a way to protect yourself:

""The only way to protect yourself against the risk of contamination – and not just from supplements – is to keep samples of everything you consume."" Source:
https://www.sportsintegrityinitiativ...contamination/

The other article shows why the legal team sent hair and nail tests. Substances leave traces after use. They have the data.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...09898124019296


IMHO it is not up to us non-experts to debate details without having all the data. The legal team and the commission have the data and the laboratories have technicians specialized in the subject. We just have to wait for their decision on the matter.

I believe that the decision is made taking into account all the evidence collected.

[Smash]

The other article shows why the legal team sent hair and nail tests. Substances leave traces after use. They have the data.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...09898124019296

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there it is again, hair and nail tests

these tests are not used as standard in drug testing, its blood and urine because they are the most reliable tests

hair and nail tests have their issues as well, believe it or not hair colour, treatments, storage and other stuff affect the results and so are not deemed to be proof but used as something to use to back up an argument, they cant prove it one way or another as far as i know

plus the fighters themselves organise their own hair and nail tests, the labs do their bidding as they are getting paid by the athlete, the system is open to abuse by anyone who has any type of smarts or even not, i would say

[champion4ever]

Osatrine is a SARM, there's many supplements that get contaminated with them, Ostarine probably being one of the main ones.

The link the poster shared touched on it;

""The US Anti-Doping Agency’s (USADA) Supplement 411 resource lists over 200 supplements that contain SARMs; 98 that specifically contain Ostarine; and nine that specifically contain S-23. In 2017, USADA issued a warning about Ostarine in supplements that it updated in 2019. This specified that there are 72 products on USADA’s High Risk List that contain Ostarine, including 19 where it isn’t declared on the label.""

Source:
https://www.sportsintegrityinitiativ...contamination/

Ok, you are right. I stand corrected.

However, none of the supplements that Ryan Garcia claimed that were cross contaminated are rarely found in them like: NutraBio’s raspberry-lemonade-flavored “Super Carb” and BodyHealth’s “Perfect Amino” powder.

None of these supplements are known to act as a steroid, for cutting fat or gaining muscle mass. One would think that those two supplements will be the last place where trace amounts of ostarine would be found.

The NutraBio company has released several tutorial videos of their products. While debunking and refuting Ryan Garcia's claim of ostarine contamination.

I heard that there is even talk of a lawsuit by NutraBio against Ryan Garcia for defamation.

[IronDanHamza]

Ok, you are right. I stand corrected.

However, none of the supplements that Ryan Garcia claimed that were cross contaminated are rarely found in them like: NutraBio’s raspberry-lemonade-flavored “Super Carb” and BodyHealth’s “Perfect Amino” powder.

None of these supplements are known to act as a steroid, for cutting fat or gaining muscle mass. One would think that those two supplements will be the last place where trace amounts of ostarine would be found.

The NutraBio company has released several tutorial videos of their products. While debunking and refuting Ryan Garcia's claim of ostarine contamination.

I heard that there is even talk of a lawsuit by NutraBio against Ryan Garcia for defamation.

The supplements contaminated don't necessarily have to act as the PED does. It's just the supplement industry in general is rife with contamination.

Ostarine is actually quite a somewhat common one.

I'm not saying Garcia is innocent here, just making the observation.

[Gladiator18]

You have to let him off, if there’s even 1% of possible contamination you have to let him off on this case.

[Smash]

You have to let him off, if there’s even 1% of possible contamination you have to let him off on this case.

im sure there is always at least a 1% chance of contamination in pretty much every case

[champion4ever]

The supplements contaminated don't necessarily have to act as the PED does. It's just the supplement industry in general is rife with contamination.

Ostarine is actually quite a somewhat common one.

I'm not saying Garcia is innocent here, just making the observation.

Yes, that is something that I can believe. Also, I respect your opinion. Obviously, you have done more extensive research on this topic than I have. I must admit that I am highly impressed with your knowledge on this subject. You have excellent research skills. You could become a great investigative journalist if you wanted too. We good!